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Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses?
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:39 pm
So I've said for a while that these SEC defenses were overrated and simply the product of mediocre QB play and offensive creativity. Now this isn't to say they're not good, they're very good. However, people making it out like there are 5-6 Steel Curtains in the SEC each year are absurd.
It's been proven time and time again that when you spread these SEC defenses out that good QB play can take advantage of them. These defenses are insolated by a conference that plays its games in a phone booth and isn't dynamic offensively.
A basketball program that couldn't even win the Big East outright just skulldrug Florida's dominant defense. Louisville needed 3 Overtimes to break 20 against UCONN, and no we're not talking about basketball, yet they threw the ball all over Florida.
Tajh Boyd looked like Johhny Football going for almost 350 yards and accounting for 3 TDs. Johnny Manziel (I'm talking about their style of offense which is unique for the SEC, I obviously know Texas A&M is in the SEC) torched Alabama in BDS.
My question is (and I know it took a while to get here), does this year change your perception of last year in regards to the LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma State argument?
Oklahoma State was better on offense than any of the aforementioned teams who had great success against vaunted SEC defenses. They had a more seasoned, talented QB in Weeden, a bigger playmaker in Blackmon, and a seasoned OL.
I always thought (and I think most agreed) that Oklahoma State was more deserving on paper, but that Alabama and LSU were simply better. I'm not sure if I still agree with that. I think they could have spread either of those teams out and had a ton of success. What do yal think?
It's been proven time and time again that when you spread these SEC defenses out that good QB play can take advantage of them. These defenses are insolated by a conference that plays its games in a phone booth and isn't dynamic offensively.
A basketball program that couldn't even win the Big East outright just skulldrug Florida's dominant defense. Louisville needed 3 Overtimes to break 20 against UCONN, and no we're not talking about basketball, yet they threw the ball all over Florida.
Tajh Boyd looked like Johhny Football going for almost 350 yards and accounting for 3 TDs. Johnny Manziel (I'm talking about their style of offense which is unique for the SEC, I obviously know Texas A&M is in the SEC) torched Alabama in BDS.
My question is (and I know it took a while to get here), does this year change your perception of last year in regards to the LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma State argument?
Oklahoma State was better on offense than any of the aforementioned teams who had great success against vaunted SEC defenses. They had a more seasoned, talented QB in Weeden, a bigger playmaker in Blackmon, and a seasoned OL.
I always thought (and I think most agreed) that Oklahoma State was more deserving on paper, but that Alabama and LSU were simply better. I'm not sure if I still agree with that. I think they could have spread either of those teams out and had a ton of success. What do yal think?
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:41 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:
My question is (and I know it took a while to get here), does this year change your perception of last year in regards to the LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma State argument?
No. This year =/= last year. Had Alabama had last year's defense this year, they'd be 13-0 and -17 against Notre Dame in the BCS National Championship right now.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:42 pm to FootballNostradamus
No. Bowl games can be bull shite in certain circumstances. A team that was close to a NC has been let down, and players that are declaring dont want to get hurt. If last night was a NC game Florida would have smoked them.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:42 pm to FootballNostradamus
Last year Oklahoma State>LSU>Alabama
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:43 pm to FootballNostradamus
I think it just proved UF had a highly overrated secondary.
UF's front 7 actually played fairly decent last night.
But Louisville's WR's were just running all over them.
UF's front 7 actually played fairly decent last night.
But Louisville's WR's were just running all over them.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:47 pm to FootballNostradamus
I mean they had a pick 6, a fumble recovery in the red zone, and great files position bc of the onside attempt. And they scored 33
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:51 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:LSU handily beat Oregon and West Virginia last year, two of the best offenses in the country...not sure what data you are using for this opinion.
It's been proven time and time again that when you spread these SEC defenses out that good QB play can take advantage of them. These defenses are insolated by a conference that plays its games in a phone booth and isn't dynamic offensively.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:52 pm to FootballNostradamus
You do switch around teams alot, I have no idea who team you're a fan of tbh 
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:59 pm to FootballNostradamus
You are over reacting and ignoring a bunch of examples of where supposedly unstoppable offenses ran into SEC defenses and were shut down (think about BCSCG for example).
As far as last night, Bridgewater was simply on fire. He and his receivers hooked up on several big throws that were absolute perfect plays that were actually defended pretty well. Sometimes, that is just going to happen where the other teams makes great plays even against good defenses. Louisville's offense was responsible for 26 points I think which is very impressive, but we not talking about a 50 point barrage here.
Another point with respect to both the UF and LSU games is that a ton of fault goes to the UF and LSU offenses who were plain awful and could not stay on the field and therefore hung their defenses out to dry. Plus, LSU held Clemson WAY below their scoring average for the season. The LSU game was lost because of LSU's offense, not defense.
As for OSU last year, Alabama's defense last year was A LOT better than Alabama's defense this year. I think they would have handled OSU's offense. Same for LSU's defense.
With all that said, I think that the game of football is becoming more and more offensively friendly across the board. It's damn hard to hold a team under 20 points now days.
As far as last night, Bridgewater was simply on fire. He and his receivers hooked up on several big throws that were absolute perfect plays that were actually defended pretty well. Sometimes, that is just going to happen where the other teams makes great plays even against good defenses. Louisville's offense was responsible for 26 points I think which is very impressive, but we not talking about a 50 point barrage here.
Another point with respect to both the UF and LSU games is that a ton of fault goes to the UF and LSU offenses who were plain awful and could not stay on the field and therefore hung their defenses out to dry. Plus, LSU held Clemson WAY below their scoring average for the season. The LSU game was lost because of LSU's offense, not defense.
As for OSU last year, Alabama's defense last year was A LOT better than Alabama's defense this year. I think they would have handled OSU's offense. Same for LSU's defense.
With all that said, I think that the game of football is becoming more and more offensively friendly across the board. It's damn hard to hold a team under 20 points now days.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
Just like Utah exposed the weak SEC defenses in 2009 sugar bowl. 
Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:53 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:
Tajh Boyd looked like Johhny Football going for almost 350 yards and accounting for 3 TDs. Johnny Manziel (I'm talking about their style of offense which is unique for the SEC, I obviously know Texas A&M is in the SEC) torched Alabama in BDS.
You can call it getting exposed, but LSU had to play 100 snaps against Clemson
You're probably not going to win when that happens
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:54 pm to FootballNostradamus
Florida lost because their offense sucked and they turned the ball over....not because of their defense.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 5:00 pm to FootballNostradamus
This years LSU defense is missing 4 NFL DB's that were on last years team plus a 1st rd DT that was the BEST d lineman we had. Brockers clogged the middle. Mo Claiborne was best cb in country, Brandon Taylor covered Eric Reid's mistakes, Ron Brooks was our dime back, but would start at corner at 95% of BCS schools. Then you had the Honey Badger who was the best defensive playmaker in CFB.
This years LSU Defense was mediocre after the aTm game. No depth and very young in defensive backfield
This years LSU Defense was mediocre after the aTm game. No depth and very young in defensive backfield
Posted on 1/3/13 at 5:03 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:
My question is (and I know it took a while to get here), does this year change your perception of last year in regards to the LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma State argument?
i could have sworn LSU took Oregon and West Virginia to the shed last year
Posted on 1/3/13 at 5:45 pm to FootballNostradamus
It exposed Florida's defense. That is all.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 5:47 pm to FootballNostradamus
Your somewhat right about some spread teams having success against SEC defenses but if you think anyone was playing Bama within 21 last year then you crazy. Bama was wayyyy better last year than this year. I'd say LSU last year is quite a bit better than bama this year.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:20 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:so you think a 1-loss Oklahoma State team was more deserving on paper versus an undefeated LSU team that beat Alabama at home?! Holy shite. Are you high or just retarded?
I always thought (and I think most agreed) that Oklahoma State was more deserving on paper, but that Alabama and LSU were simply better.
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:47 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
Tajh Boyd
Got sacked nearly 6 times at home vs an SEC defense just a few weeks before the bowl game.
This post was edited on 1/4/13 at 2:48 am
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:11 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
So I've said for a while that these SEC defenses were overrated and simply the product of mediocre QB play and offensive creativity. Now this isn't to say they're not good, they're very good. However, people making it out like there are 5-6 Steel Curtains in the SEC each year are absurd.
It's been proven time and time again that when you spread these SEC defenses out that good QB play can take advantage of them. These defenses are insolated by a conference that plays its games in a phone booth and isn't dynamic offensively.
A basketball program that couldn't even win the Big East outright just skulldrug Florida's dominant defense. Louisville needed 3 Overtimes to break 20 against UCONN, and no we're not talking about basketball, yet they threw the ball all over Florida.
Tajh Boyd looked like Johhny Football going for almost 350 yards and accounting for 3 TDs. Johnny Manziel (I'm talking about their style of offense which is unique for the SEC, I obviously know Texas A&M is in the SEC) torched Alabama in BDS.
My question is (and I know it took a while to get here), does this year change your perception of last year in regards to the LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma State argument?
Oklahoma State was better on offense than any of the aforementioned teams who had great success against vaunted SEC defenses. They had a more seasoned, talented QB in Weeden, a bigger playmaker in Blackmon, and a seasoned OL.
I always thought (and I think most agreed) that Oklahoma State was more deserving on paper, but that Alabama and LSU were simply better. I'm not sure if I still agree with that. I think they could have spread either of those teams out and had a ton of success. What do yal think?
Do me a favor. Check the PPG for Clemson against non-SEC teams and compare it to their PPG average against SEC teams.
Then do the same with FSU.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:19 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
It's been proven time and time again that when you spread these SEC defenses out that good QB play can take advantage of them. These defenses are insolated by a conference that plays its games in a phone booth and isn't dynamic offensively
Louisville offense isn't dynamic. It doesn't spread teams out. It's actually as vanilla as any SEC offense. Here is Louisville's offense:
First down: run ball, loss of 1 yard
Second down: run ball, loss of 2 yards
Third down: Teddy Bridgewater completes 16 yard pass for the first down.
Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
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