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National's decision to shut down Strasburg
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:08 am
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:08 am
Where does this rank among the greatest managerial/ front office mistakes of all time?
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:09 am to benhamin5555
One of the worst I have ever seen. There was just no logic behind it.
This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 1:10 am
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:09 am to benhamin5555
Not a mistake IMO, but the fact of the matter is that we will never know if shutting down Strasburg was the right call.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:10 am to benhamin5555
I hope they don't win a World Series for the next 20 years.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:11 am to benhamin5555
I think it was unnecessary, and if they were going to have an inning limit on him, why didn't they skip some of his other starts throughout the season?
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:17 am to texastiger38
Basically, the Nationals did research on every young pitcher with arm issues and found that roughly 160 innings would be a good cap that would create the best combination of maximizing effectiveness and minimizing injury risk.
The constantly asked question is about skipping starts, but the Nationals' research found that skipping starts for rest was far more dangerous in terms of re-injury. Basically, every decision they made was done based off of empirical research and educated guesses.
It sure as hell was not a flawless process, but I commend them for trying to maximize arguably their greatest asset. The front office (and Vegas) has a far higher rate of future value where as most sports fans want immediate gratification.
The constantly asked question is about skipping starts, but the Nationals' research found that skipping starts for rest was far more dangerous in terms of re-injury. Basically, every decision they made was done based off of empirical research and educated guesses.
It sure as hell was not a flawless process, but I commend them for trying to maximize arguably their greatest asset. The front office (and Vegas) has a far higher rate of future value where as most sports fans want immediate gratification.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:17 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Not a mistake IMO
How is it not? It defies all logical sense. You have great baseball players in order to win as much as possible. Knowingly making a decision that decreases your immediate chance of winning IN THE POSTSEASON no less is stupid. The whole point of the regular season is to make the postseason, so why would you just quit once you get there? For all we know the Nats might never make the postseason again during Strasburg's career.
This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 1:18 am
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:20 am to benhamin5555
The Nationals have put a greater value on hopefully having a healthier, more effective Strasburg in the future than having their second best starter pitch for one postseason. Sometimes, there is more than just 2012.
Plus, if Strasburg were to have pitched this full season, then they would have expected a regression next year (a common trend among young pitchers who increased their workload a lot, usually 70+ innings).
Plus, if Strasburg were to have pitched this full season, then they would have expected a regression next year (a common trend among young pitchers who increased their workload a lot, usually 70+ innings).
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:23 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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The Nationals have put a greater value on hopefully having a healthier, more effective Strasburg in the future than having their second best starter pitch for one postseason. Sometimes, there is more than just 2012.
There were plenty of ways to keep him healthy without shutting him down for the freaking playoffs
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:24 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Hideo Nomo
Dwight Gooden
Kerry Wood
Dontrelle Willis
I can see why they're afraid of overextending him early in his career.
Dwight Gooden
Kerry Wood
Dontrelle Willis
I can see why they're afraid of overextending him early in his career.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:24 am to Vicks Kennel Club
I saw that there was a pitcher on Atlanta that was in the same situation as Strasburg. What Atlanta did though was start him in the bullpen, then move him to the rotation so they could use him the whole year. I forgot his name and someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but that seemed like a much better strategy.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:28 am to TDawg1313
If missing starts won't work then have him start the season May. Anything would of been better than what they did
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:30 am to VerlanderBEAST
how many games did he win in April, and how many games did the Nats secure a playoff start by?
not being a smartass. genuinely curious.
not being a smartass. genuinely curious.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:36 am to benhamin5555
I thought they had only shut him down for the regular season. Playoffs too?
This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 4:11 am
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:42 am to VerlanderBEAST
I don't even understand the Nationals decision making process. If they were so concerned about capping Strasburg's innings, why didn't they go to a six-man rotation or have him start the first couple months in the bullpen or have him skip a start every once in a while or just shut him down in the beginning of the season? There's so many ways the Nationals could have avoided this controversy. And you have to go all out to win the World Series when your team has the opportunity to do so. Imagine if the Phillies had shut down Cole Hamels in 2008 because he had 227 innings pitched in the regular season. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:42 am to TDawg1313
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I saw that there was a pitcher on Atlanta that was in the same situation as Strasburg. What Atlanta did though was start him in the bullpen, then move him to the rotation so they could use him the whole year. I forgot his name and someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but that seemed like a much better strategy.
Yeah, Medlen was spectacular this year.
The problem with this whole debate is that everyone will try to justify their decision with hindsight if the Nationals lose. The fact of the matter is that there is no one correct answer to this question. Every pitcher and situation is unique.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:46 am to Bench McElroy
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If they were so concerned about capping Strasburg's innings, why didn't they go to a six-man rotation or have him start the first couple months in the bullpen or have him skip a start every once in a while or just shut him down in the beginning of the season?
They assessed the risks and found that a five-man rotation with continuous starts (4-5 days in between) minimized his risk of damage because longer amounts of time between starts threw off his bullpen sessions and skipped starts was more dangerous to his arm.
Every decision is done without discounting the future. That is really about all I can expand on this topic.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:46 am to benhamin5555
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For all we know the Nats might never make the postseason again during Strasburg's career.
Right. They've built a good team but you're the fricking Natinals. You can't afford to take a we'll get em next time attitude about the playoffs.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:56 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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They assessed the risks and found that a five-man rotation with continuous starts (4-5 days in between) minimized his risk of damage because longer amounts of time between starts threw off his bullpen sessions and skipped starts was more dangerous to his arm.
So have him start the season in May. There were many ways they could of handled this, the Nats choose the worst possible one.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:58 am to The Boat
That great rotation the braves had only won 1 title
You take it while you got it. Bad move on their part.
You take it while you got it. Bad move on their part.
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