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The Hard Cold Facts

Posted on 9/30/12 at 11:54 pm
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 9/30/12 at 11:54 pm
1. The Saints have spent a lot of high draft picks on the defensive side of the ball over the last 5 years and they haven't panned out. If you put them all in a box and tried to trade them all, you wouldn't get a 1st round pick for them all. Remember, the defense has been almost at the bottom for a while and is getting worse...not better.

2. Sean Payton is the glue that kept this team together and they likely aren't going to do much better now that Vitt will be coming back.

3. Spending a 1st rounder on Ingram is criminal. Forget the pick, it's gone; he now sucks up a spot on the roster where a real running back should be.

4. Paying so much money to Brees is affecting the team; it's only natural that it would. You can't dedicate nearly 17% of your salary cap on 1 player without causing a fractured team. Why? Other players realize the chance of getting a mega deal with the Saints isn't likely because there's only so much money to go around. Those players will wait and bust their asses the last year of their contracts in order to get a deal somewhere else.
Don't give me the Peyton Manning and Brady argument. Peyton will cause the same problem for the Broncos and we aren't the Patriots, a team that signs more quality veterans each season for close to minimum because they are in the Superbowl almost every year.

Let the bashing begin!!!
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 11:56 pm
Posted by LSUalldaway18
305, FL
Member since Oct 2010
358 posts
Posted on 9/30/12 at 11:57 pm to
yeah. wtf is up with ingram? he is awful
Posted by O
Mandeville
Member since Oct 2011
6471 posts
Posted on 9/30/12 at 11:57 pm to
quote:

Those players will wait and bust their asses the last year of their contracts in order to get a deal somewhere else.


These guys are professionals. You are perpetuating a belief that needs to end. They go out and work hard every day, not just in a "contract year." While stats in the "contract year" are important, other years are taken into consideration as well.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 9/30/12 at 11:58 pm to
quote:

4. Paying so much money to Brees is affecting the team; it's only natural that it would. You can't dedicate nearly 17% of your salary cap on 1 player without causing a fractured team. Why? Other players realize the chance of getting a mega deal with the Saints isn't likely because there's only so much money to go around. Those players will wait and bust their asses the last year of their contracts in order to get a deal somewhere else.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 12:01 am to
quote:

Other players realize the chance of getting a mega deal with the Saints isn't likely because there's only so much money to go around.


how many teams in the nfl have multiple guys with mega deals at the same time?
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34518 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 12:02 am to
THE REAL COLD HARD FACTS


1. EVERY SINGLE 'FACT' YOU JUST POSTED HAS BEEN DISCUSSED NUMEROUS TIMES - I hope you didn't think you we're coming in here to drop knowledge that was going to be a breakthrough on this board

2. DREW BREES' CONTRACT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DROPPED PASSES, PENALTIES, MISSED TACKLES, OR BLOWN ASSIGNMENTS - to say that everyone is playing this way because their leader and their QB finally got what he deserved is asinine

3. WE WILL GET THIS TURNED AROUND AND CONTEND - if not for the division title, for a wild card spot.. at the end of the year, we'll be one of those playoff teams that 'you'd hate to go up against now' because we'll be on a roll
This post was edited on 10/1/12 at 12:03 am
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile
Member since May 2008
33767 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 12:10 am to
quote:

1. The Saints have spent a lot of high draft picks on the defensive side of the ball over the last 5 years and they haven't panned out. If you put them all in a box and tried to trade them all, you wouldn't get a 1st round pick for them all. Remember, the defense has been almost at the bottom for a while and is getting worse...not better.


man, I'm glad you put this at the top of the list. Congrats on being the first to notice this

quote:

3. Spending a 1st rounder on Ingram is criminal. Forget the pick, it's gone; he now sucks up a spot on the roster where a real running back should be.


we don't run the ball. So I can kinda get on board with this post.

Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49524 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 12:26 am to
quote:

and we aren't the Patriots, a team that signs more quality veterans each season for close to minimum because they are in the Superbowl almost every year.


Since Brees came here 6 years ago, we've had one SB appearance (which was won) and they've had two (each being a loss to the Giants). And we know for a fact that Rogers came here last year despite getting a higher offer (likely from the Chiefs) because wanted to play with a contender. Your "cold hard facts" seem more like "trying to shake the cold, hard, 4 week old sand out of my vagina while completely ignoring where this team has been the past 6 years."
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89498 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 7:02 am to
I think everyone's gripes about Ingram are misguided. You can't be mad at the guy for being on a team that refuses to run the ball, and when they do, they run the same goddamn play. On top of that, when they run, they refuse to lead block with a FB.

So, this may or may not mean that Ingram sucks. I for one do not think he sucks. Keep in mind that he got 11 yards on the ground and Thomas got, what 14?
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 8:24 am to
I'm not Totally Giving up on Ingram because I feel like they everytime he's in the game it's going to be a run inside. You're not going to be very successful if every time you come in the game it's the same play. Until they can start getting him involved in other ways, Ill hold judgment. But right now they surely aren't doing that.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64496 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 8:26 am to
Agree on 1 and 2.

Not 3 and 4.

As to Ingram he actually looks quicker to me now. Would like to see what he can do if/when he gets past the d-line one day.
GB did a good job shutting down PT and MI.4.

4. Paying so much money to Brees is affecting the team

Not paying him would have affected the team more.
IMO



This post was edited on 10/1/12 at 8:28 am
Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
23485 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 9:21 am to
Another Ingram sucks thread

Jeez you people are stupid

Posted by putt1058
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
842 posts
Posted on 10/1/12 at 12:10 pm to
The offensive line CAN'T RUN BLOCK! With all of the talented running backs we've had, NOT ONE did anything with the Saints... They can't ALL be bad....or can they??
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