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re: the Penn st. delusion is just scary
Posted on 7/15/12 at 8:59 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
Posted on 7/15/12 at 8:59 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
First, I think you know you are fighting a battle that you are unable to win. I get that you aren't "defending" Paterno and are trying to help outsiders understand the process PSU and their fans are going through.
Here's your problem: we just can't relate. We can't understand 1 man being a team much less the entire university. The fact that you had a single coach for 61 years and your entire self identity was wrapped around him is mind boggling to us and is completely outside our understanding. Our identity is tied to our state and the program not a coach or player.
This is why We consider PSU's cult is very different from ours and we can't see our culture allowing for something like this to continue for so long. We have idols here without a doubt. But we have no problem tearing down those idols if they don't meet our standards... To a fault.
I'm not bashing you. I'm just trying to help you understand that using an analogy comparing PSU's situation to something happening at LSU (or any SEC school, really) doesn't help your case. In fact, it makes us more firm in ours. It is precisely that culture that allowed 1 man the power and the identity of the university that we don't understand or trust. What has been your hallmark is what we blame.
Here's your problem: we just can't relate. We can't understand 1 man being a team much less the entire university. The fact that you had a single coach for 61 years and your entire self identity was wrapped around him is mind boggling to us and is completely outside our understanding. Our identity is tied to our state and the program not a coach or player.
This is why We consider PSU's cult is very different from ours and we can't see our culture allowing for something like this to continue for so long. We have idols here without a doubt. But we have no problem tearing down those idols if they don't meet our standards... To a fault.
I'm not bashing you. I'm just trying to help you understand that using an analogy comparing PSU's situation to something happening at LSU (or any SEC school, really) doesn't help your case. In fact, it makes us more firm in ours. It is precisely that culture that allowed 1 man the power and the identity of the university that we don't understand or trust. What has been your hallmark is what we blame.
This post was edited on 7/15/12 at 9:01 pm
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Posted on 7/15/12 at 9:01 pm to LSUGrrrl
I still think Bear would've knocked the hell out of a coach of his that did that. Same goes for Cholly Mac.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 9:17 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Here's your problem: we just can't relate. We can't understand 1 man being a team much less the entire university. The fact that you had a single coach for 61 years and your entire self identity was wrapped around him is mind boggling to us and is completely outside our understanding. Our identity is tied to our state and the program not a coach or player.
This is why We consider PSU's cult is very different from ours and we can't see our culture allowing for something like this to continue for so long. We have idols here without a doubt. But we have no problem tearing down those idols if they don't meet our standards... To a fault.
I'm not bashing you. I'm just trying to help you understand that using an analogy comparing PSU's situation to something happening at LSU (or any SEC school, really) doesn't help your case. In fact, it makes us more firm in ours. It is precisely that culture that allowed 1 man the power and the identity of the university that we don't understand or trust. What has been your hallmark is what we blame.
grrrl....this is an absolutely superb analysis and you've explained the cultural difference in a way that i knew in my gut but couldn't put it in words as clearly as you have.....
Posted on 7/15/12 at 9:22 pm to LSUGrrrl
Great post LSUGrrl. That really sums up everything.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 9:27 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Our identity is tied to our state and the program not a coach or player.
That's true, but LSU might be the outlier in that regard. Our stadium is Tiger Stadium, as opposed to BRYANT Denny or JORDAN Hare or Neyland. We don't have an iconic coach. Our most successful football coaches had short tenures (even Les has only been here 7 seasons), and football is king. Dale Brown never won a national title. Skip Bertman is to LSU baseball what Joepa was to Penn State Football, but baseball isn't on the level of football in terms of prestige, and LSU was on the map nationally long before we had a good baseball team.
One point I made in another thread is that Penn State fans desperately want to believe JoePa was a good man. He's the only winner they've had in a major sport, but more importantly he had a public image of winning the right way. Penn State was supposed to be an honorable program, unlike the Oklahoma and Miami teams that embarrassed their universities with their off field conduct. Winning with class is a source of pride and Penn State fans have had that taken away from them.
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