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re: 2 calls at second base today....
Posted on 6/9/12 at 9:16 pm to peopleschamp
Posted on 6/9/12 at 9:16 pm to peopleschamp
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All I have heard is a bunch of excuses from LSU fans when LSU just didn't played well enough to win this game and were very lucky to win game #1. I am happy they are still in this series at all. Stony Brook is a Regional #4 seed if I am correct. LSU is a National #7 seed. They should not be out playing LSU like this. That said LSU can turn it all around tomorrow.
Dude, SB has outplayed LSU in 2 games.
Were not for a miracle yesterday, they should already be in Omaha. CLEARLY.
This is a team that has a ton of great players and they're well coached.
However, we're discussing a bizarre play here that was one missed call by the ump.
I know a lot of fans are frustrated so they want to blame Snikeris, but he had his foot on the bag. Sorry.
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 9:18 pm
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Posted on 6/9/12 at 9:19 pm to willeteal
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I think MOST PEOPLE are relying on the fact that his foot was on the base the entire time, including the brief time his hand was off.
I would like to see a video but from where I was he looked safe in the initial play and came off the bag. I disagree with MOST people saying this also just look in this thread and others where people are blaming imps and saying they should have been more demonstrative in making ball 4 call or should have thrown their hands up telling the runner it was ball 4. MOST people need to learn the damn rules instead of bitching about shite they don't know about...a walk is not a dead ball!!!!!!!!
Posted on 6/9/12 at 9:58 pm to Topwater Trout
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blaming imps
Posted on 6/9/12 at 9:59 pm to 81Tiger
Both calls could have easily gone either way. Baseball could definitely use some kind of replay system for the umpires. There's way to many calls that are clearly off.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:03 pm to Deuces
I actually met Janikowski tonight and he is a nice, humble kid. Bigger in person than he looks on the field.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:16 pm to Topwater Trout
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also just look in this thread and others where people are blaming imps and saying they should have been more demonstrative in making ball 4 call or should have thrown their hands up telling the runner it was ball 4
Everybody on the field sucked today including the umps. Just admit that the home plate ump not doing a good enough job caused the play at 2nd base to turn into a cluster frick.
Some of you people refuse to admit that umps can make mistakes.
Why is it that this type of shitty call is sooooo rare? Because normally the umps are better.
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:27 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
Have you ever played baseball? I have never seen a ump yell ball 4. Get over it. Snickeris shouldn't have slid past the bag. Yeh the umpiring was bad BOTH ways. I saw 2 SB batters get called out on check swings that looked like they held up.
Since you are so focused on the home plate umpire not yelling BALL 4 ( which is still no guarantee that Snickeris hears the call) why not answer my question...what if there was a check swing on that play?
Our fans are such babies. Bitch about bad calls like UCI hidden ball trick but quit crying about a call that was our fault and quit trying to make up new rules of what the umps should do.
Since you are so focused on the home plate umpire not yelling BALL 4 ( which is still no guarantee that Snickeris hears the call) why not answer my question...what if there was a check swing on that play?
Our fans are such babies. Bitch about bad calls like UCI hidden ball trick but quit crying about a call that was our fault and quit trying to make up new rules of what the umps should do.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:30 pm to Topwater Trout
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what if there was a check swing on that play?
wow ... talk about an ugly scene at the box if that situation was to come up ... and that ended up in a double play ...
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:37 pm to Topwater Trout
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Have you ever played baseball?
Yes
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I have never seen a ump yell ball 4
I have in this exact same situation. Sorry, but it's true and there are good reasons it is done.
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Our fans are such babies. Bitch about bad calls like UCI hidden ball trick but quit crying about a call that was our fault and quit trying to make up new rules of what the umps should do.
I get it. You are a better baseball fan because you are more refined. You never bitch about the quality of officiating. It's a rampant snotty attitude that manifests itself in baseball fans on this board.
I never made up a rule. I just let you know what good officiating is all about. This is the fricking NCAA postseason, not your little league tournament. You have to hold them to a higher standard.
As far as your check swing straw man argument...it's irrelevant. If an appeal is needed it's because THE UMP CALLED THE PITCH A BALL which isn't what happened here. There was no call.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:50 pm to 81Tiger
Coulda, woulda, shoulda....this is textbook LSU.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:53 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
I bitch about umpiring all the time. I let it go if it's a good call though. In this case it was a good call. Sucks for us that our senior who was running not stealing didn't peek to see what happened with the pitch and THEN slid off the bag.
Your arguement is the umps should call ball 4 loud enough that a guy running should hear it 100ft away with 10k fans cheering...my check swing question is if in the same scenario the batter had checked his swing and home plate umpire wasn't sure if he had what would he yell for the runner
stealing? Would he yell I DONT KNOW?
ETA: If it happened to SB our fans would have been cheering the call, laughing, and yelling at the SB coach for arguing.
Your arguement is the umps should call ball 4 loud enough that a guy running should hear it 100ft away with 10k fans cheering...my check swing question is if in the same scenario the batter had checked his swing and home plate umpire wasn't sure if he had what would he yell for the runner
stealing? Would he yell I DONT KNOW?
ETA: If it happened to SB our fans would have been cheering the call, laughing, and yelling at the SB coach for arguing.
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:55 pm to Topwater Trout
If every thread on this topic at this point got whacked I wouldn't be too heartbroken.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 10:57 pm to Topwater Trout
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what would he yell for the runner stealing?
wait a minute son ... let me get a ruling on the pitch, then i will come over that and call you out
Posted on 6/9/12 at 11:12 pm to 81Tiger
What about the pitch Gausman threw over the plate with 2 strikes and 2 outs in the third that got called a ball? We get that call and those 2 runs don't score.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 11:15 pm to dcrews
i think if you go back and look at that game objectively ... you will find that lsu doesn't a whole lot to complain about as far as called balls/strikes, check swings another story ... there was one lsu batter that was down 1-2 and on tv, johnson threw the same pitch, same location 3 times in a row .. same as called strike 2 ... camera showed him jump up once or twice
Posted on 6/9/12 at 11:20 pm to Topwater Trout
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Your arguement is the umps should call ball 4 loud enough that a guy running should hear it 100ft away with 10k fans cheering.
I'm gonna finally address this issue that has been brought up a multitude of times.
A) There were 9.5k fans there and they weren't all cheering at the top of their lungs.
B) If they were cheering at the top of their lungs, does that excuse the home plate ump from either visually or verbally signaling balls and strikes?
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my check swing question is if in the same scenario the batter had checked his swing and home plate umpire wasn't sure if he had what would he yell for the runner
stealing? Would he yell I DONT KNOW?
In your scenario, the home plate umpire has to make a call. I'm not sure if you know this, but on every pitch, a definitive call is made. Ball or strike. The appeal is for when the call is "ball" but the catcher asks for the opinion of either the 3rd base or 1st base ump. And then it doesn't even have to be granted. The HP umpire can technically refuse to grant an appeal.
So your situation would go like this:
Ball is pitched. The ump makes a call. If you are saying that there will be an appeal asked for, then I assume the HP umpire has called "ball". The catcher may still make the throw to 2nd if he wants to. After the play at 2nd is hashed out, then the catcher may ask for an appeal on the pitch.
You will notice that the situation depends heavily on what the homeplate umpire has called. Without a call everyone on the field is playing on instinct.
ETA: and just as an anecdote, I have seen the umpire in the field inform the runner stealing 2nd that the call was ball four. This is to protect the players. Now it's not the infield ump's job to do that, but it is the homeplate umpire's job to let everyone know what the pitch was.
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 6/9/12 at 11:22 pm to TigerLunatik
Bad calls only matter if they go against us 
I didn't hear any complaining when we hit a double at Hoover one year and it was ruled a HR or in the SC game when the guy hit a HR and got a double.
I didn't hear any complaining when we hit a double at Hoover one year and it was ruled a HR or in the SC game when the guy hit a HR and got a double.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 11:24 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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does that excuse the home plate ump from either visually or verbally signaling balls and strikes?
just so i make sure i understand this completely .. are you saying that the HP ump is responsible for letting everyone in the infield what the count is on every pitch? or are you just frustrated abut this play? i played a lot of ball and i pitched a lot too .. and i was always taught to know everything myself no matter where i was, but i have never just seen an ump go out of their way to let anyone but the pitcher know what the count is .. unless they are asked of course
Posted on 6/9/12 at 11:26 pm to TigerLunatik
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are you saying that the HP ump is responsible for letting everyone in the infield what the count is on every pitch?
no
Posted on 6/9/12 at 11:27 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
thanks .. that is one thing i have been wondering all day when people have been "contemplating" this topic ... but, i wasnt about to get that nonsense earlier
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