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With a runner on 2nd, why is the 3rd baseman the cutoff man on a hit to left?
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:23 am
I have read this and seen it in action in MLB play...we are working on cutoff rules this week for a 10-year old team, and it seems like it would just be simpler to have SS be the cutoff in this situation (and have 2B be the cutoff on similar situation to right field).
What are your thoughts on this?
What are your thoughts on this?
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:24 am to Chicken
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This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 1:38 am
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:26 am to Chicken
I have never seen a 3rd basemen as the cutoff guy. I played SS and 3rd.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:26 am to msutiger
I think for a 10 year old team, I would still use SS if he is the better athlete which normally is the case at that age. I think the reason high school and college use third baseman is bc if a ball is hit in the hole, it would be tougher for the SS to get in good position to cut the ball if he was already trying to make a play on the ball bc he will be deeper on the infield.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:27 am to Topwater Trout
quote:I saw this happen on Red Sox/Tigers game this weekend, then researched it.
I have never seen a 3rd basemen as the cutoff guy. I played SS and 3rd.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:27 am to Chicken
could depend on who has the stronger and more accurate arm. Some teams may want their third basemen doing it if he has a canon
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:27 am to Topwater Trout
I always assumed it was the SS as well. What if there is rundown between third and home, would SS be covering third if third is cutoff?
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:27 am to Chicken
Typically the SS is already closer to the outfielder...He can take a few steps and be out there...Like wise the 3rd baseman can take a few towards the mound and also be in position...They are BOTH actually cut-off boys...
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:27 am to Chicken
I'll take a stab.
In most situations (maybe not little league), with a runner on second and ball hit to left field, you have to assume the runner will make it to third.
Clearly, the pitcher has to back up the catcher.
The next, most important thing is to make sure that the batter, who is now rounding first, doesn't get to second. So, you want the SS to cover 2nd and the 2nd baseman to back him up in the event that runner tries to extend a single into a double. You also want to the first baseman to stay at first so that if the batter takes too wide of a turn, the cut off man can nail him at first.
But, if the throw goes to second, at the very least you want the 2nd baseman as a backup so that the runner on 3rd doesn't go home in the event of a bad throw or error on SS.
In most situations (maybe not little league), with a runner on second and ball hit to left field, you have to assume the runner will make it to third.
Clearly, the pitcher has to back up the catcher.
The next, most important thing is to make sure that the batter, who is now rounding first, doesn't get to second. So, you want the SS to cover 2nd and the 2nd baseman to back him up in the event that runner tries to extend a single into a double. You also want to the first baseman to stay at first so that if the batter takes too wide of a turn, the cut off man can nail him at first.
But, if the throw goes to second, at the very least you want the 2nd baseman as a backup so that the runner on 3rd doesn't go home in the event of a bad throw or error on SS.
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:28 am to Chicken
It's about the angle. The short stop would be to far away from home. Your outfielders tend to have better arms so they can get the ball pretty far into the infield instead of making your shortstop make a long throw
The third baseman comes in and has a better angle to throw home or get called to throw to a different base.
Hit up the middle should be the first baseman
The third baseman comes in and has a better angle to throw home or get called to throw to a different base.
Hit up the middle should be the first baseman
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:28 am to EarthwormJim
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3rd baseman usually has a stronger arm for a throw to the plate
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:30 am to Lithium
I don't think it has anything to do with the stronger arm bc the first baseman cuts off hits to right field for a play at home and first baseman generally have the worst arm on the team.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:31 am to Chicken
quote:
With a runner on 2nd, why is the 3rd baseman the cutoff man on a hit to left?
Because when the ball is on the ground to the outfield you always throw 2 bases ahead of the runner. Hence the third basemen doesnt need to cover the bag and is available to be the cutoff man. In most cases the SS will cover third just in case. This is the answer youre looking for.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:37 am to TheHumanTornado
quote:yes
would SS be covering third if third is cutoff?
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:40 am to Chicken
If it's hit directly to the LF'er, 3b is cutoff because of he is at the correct angle and if the ball is cut off it will be near the infield area. The main reason to cut the ball off is if the throw is offline, or is to low and will take several hops if it isn't cut.
If it's hit into the left field corner, it's actually more of a double cut situation. The SS gets out into the OF a bit and the 3B stays a little beyond 3B. Who cuts it depends on the throw from the OF'er.
If it's hit into the left field corner, it's actually more of a double cut situation. The SS gets out into the OF a bit and the 3B stays a little beyond 3B. Who cuts it depends on the throw from the OF'er.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:41 am to More beer please
quote:
Because when the ball is on the ground to the outfield you always throw 2 bases ahead of the runner. Hence the third basemen doesnt need to cover the bag and is available to be the cutoff man. In most cases the SS will cover third just in case. This is the answer youre looking for.
I concur
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:41 am to Chicken
quote:
quote:
would SS be covering third if third is cutoff?
yes
Well, that blows my theory.
Perhaps, the third baseman is closer to the plate than the SS and you want the cut off man to be closer to the plate than the SS can get to?
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:53 am to Chicken
quote:
With a runner on 2nd, why is the 3rd baseman the cutoff man on a hit to left?
You want the 3rd base men to be the cutoff man because he will be inline with a throw at home or third. The only throw you are cutting off from LF is to those two spots, so it would make no sense to send your SS to be the cutoff man.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:56 am to barry
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The only throw you are cutting off from LF is to those two spots
Not if the batter tries to stretch his single and the hopes of preventing the run from scoring have been dashed....You would cut it and go to 2nd. Stick to girls softball.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:02 pm to LCA131
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Not if the batter tries to stretch his single and the hopes of preventing the run from scoring have been dashed....You would cut it and go to 2nd. Stick to girls softball.
LF should be able to hit second base without a cut if he throws directly there... or if the throw is headed home the 3B can cut it off and fire to second if he sees the batter trying it.
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