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re: Was anyone else a little nervous before the 7th inning?

Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:56 am to
Posted by JJ27
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:56 am to
Game went exactly as I predicted. Ziegler shut LSU down. Once he got tired around the 7th-8th LSU would score 3-4 and win the game. Just wish he could've come out with the score 1-1.
Posted by GeauxGus
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 11:04 am to
".. Makes me crazy when college coaches ignore Baseball 101. ULM came out of that inning with momentum and almost rallied in the seventh. Double play ball saved Manieri from a lot of hard questions... I like Manieri BUT he ignores baseball 101 time and time againg. There is nobody on this team that is not above bunting runners over in that situation. Katz and Rhymes included... "

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Posted by Sev09
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 11:08 am to
Their fans were starting to piss me off. They'd act like they won the game every time they did something that wasn't bad.

But yeah, I was a little nervous.
Posted by tigerinthebayou
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 11:33 am to
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I like Manieri BUT he ignores baseball 101 time and time againg. There is nobody on this team that is not above bunting runners over in that situation. Katz and Rhymes included.


A lot of times a coach just goes with their gut feeling. Had Katz hit a 3 run homerun we don't question it. Also with was 1st and 2nd with no outs and the game tied. He very well may have been playing for a big inning to put the game away. Had we been down a run or two I'm sure he bunts them over....its not good to always buck 101 but sometimes u just have a feeling a clutch hitter is gonna come through.
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 11:37 am to
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I like Manieri BUT he ignores baseball 101 time and time againg. There is nobody on this team that is not above bunting runners over in that situation. Katz and Rhymes included.

bunting your 3 and 4 hitters isn't baseball 101, its a debateable decision that different baseball experts differ on. To act like 1 choice over the other is cut and dry is retarded.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 11:40 am to
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I like Manieri BUT he ignores baseball 101 time and time againg
He must be a darn lucky coach if he doesn't know "Baseball 101" yet still gets these kind of results.
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 11:43 am to
quote:

I like Manieri BUT he ignores baseball 101 time and time againg. There is nobody on this team that is not above bunting runners over in that situation. Katz and Rhymes included.


Oh boy.
Posted by Fabius
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:57 pm to
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bunting your 3 and 4 hitters isn't baseball 101, its a debateable decision that different baseball experts differ on. To act like 1 choice over the other is cut and dry is retarded.


Baseball 101 is that you play the percentages in every situation. In this situation, you're in a tie ball game, 6th inning and your team has two hits so far. A bunt has a high percentage of advancing the runners, eliminating the double play. You are positioned to score the go ahead run on any ball hit out of the infield, on a slow grounder, on a high hop grounder. The infield has to play in, so a ball hit on the ground has a greater chance of getting through. You also score on wild pitch or any error.

Another factor is that it is not only a tie ball game, but tied at one run each and your pitcher is cruising. You don't need to play for a big inning. You need a run.

Skip Bertman was great because he ALWAYS played the percentages in every situation. Manieri is good, but he is not great because he doesn't have the discipline that Skip had. LSU deserves great.
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:59 pm to
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Skip Bertman was great because he ALWAYS played the percentages in every situation. Manieri is good, but he is not great because he doesn't have the discipline that Skip had. LSU deserves great.


Smoke is that you?
Posted by Fabius
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:04 pm to
Smoke wasn't even good. He couldn't calculate the percentages
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:04 pm to
So fire mainieri ?
Posted by Fabius
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2007
458 posts
Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:18 pm to
No. There's only one Skip Bertman, but there are plenty of Smoke Lavals. Manieri is at least good enough not to hold back the talent that LSU attracts because it is LSU. We'll be competitive with him. I can wish for another Skip, but that won't happen. However, I can also express frustration about a coach who makes haphazard "gut" decisions.
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:20 pm to
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However, I can also express frustration about a coach who makes haphazard "gut" decisions.


That's what you call not bunting your 3 hole hitter? You seem mad at mainieri.
Posted by rutiger
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Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:25 pm to
People around me last night were whining about not bunting katz. I wouldnt have bunted him either, double to the gap busts the game open. Katz and raph need to start hitting though.
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Member since Aug 2008
52210 posts
Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:32 pm to
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People around me last night were whining about not bunting katz. I wouldnt have bunted him either, double to the gap busts the game open. Katz and raph need to start hitting though.


This was discussed in another thread, but if you bunt katz then they walk rhymes to set up the force. So you have just taken the bat out of your 2 best hitters hands. The people who bitch about not bunting katz are the same people who bitch when we bunt arby in the 2nd(just an example). Some people are just miserable.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:33 pm to
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if you bunt katz then they walk rhymes to set up the force. So you have just taken the bat out of your 2 best hitters hands.


Absolutely.
Posted by harry coleman beast
Left Field
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:34 pm to
Its not rocket surgery kim
Posted by Fabius
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2007
458 posts
Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:48 pm to
Nest two hitters are Snikeris and Ross. Both hitting over .300. The difference between those two hitting safely and Katz/rhymes is one percent. The odds of scoring from third base with one out is 54%. So, you take the bat out of any hitter's hands who isn't hitting .540.

As Skip used to say, its baseball, not football. The best hitter on your team is no more than 10% likely to hit safely than is your worst hitter who is riding the bench. The difference between your 3/4 hitters and your 5/6 hitters is usually homeruns, but on this team no one is hitting a bunch of those.

Bottom line - bunting is the percentage play. Many coaches don't have the stomach to bunt a 3 or 4 hitter because most fans don't understand the percentages and will scream if their best hitter is asked to bunt.
This post was edited on 6/2/12 at 2:25 pm
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