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Europe is where it's at. Happiest countries study.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 4:19 am
Posted on 5/24/12 at 4:19 am
LINK
The top 3 countries are:
Denmark
Norway
The Netherlands.
We could stand to learn a bit from all these countries
The top 3 countries are:
Denmark
Norway
The Netherlands.
We could stand to learn a bit from all these countries
Posted on 5/24/12 at 6:19 am to Playground Menace
Until they run out of other peoples' money. Or until their money printing destroys the Euro.
Which comes first?
Then after that, let's see how happy they are?
How happy is Greece? Spain? Portugal?
Those are the first countries figuring out that other peoples' money eventually runs out and that skittles being emitted from the arse of the magical unicorn are starting to taste like shite.
We're following them down the path of financial ruin by, as a nation, spending far more than we earn.
Now, if you're a banker debt is good. The more people borrow money you create out of thin air, the more rent you can charge.
Governments, being owned and operated by banks, are obliging their bankster masters by borrowing more and more, based on the collateral of their ability to extract taxes from their citizens.
Thing is, when people realize that playing by the rules is a net loss, they stop.
Some call it going Galt. You might just say people are getting fed up with half the country (the free shite army) having the right to vote for politicians who promise more free shite. Those same politicians use the force of government (guns) to extract their tribute.
The people paying for it all are outnumbered and are getting less and less happy about it.
I welcome the crash of this ponziconomy and the purge of the bankster/Wall St. parasites who produce nothing. I welcome a day when a man keeps the fruits of his labor, ie his wages aka income.
Don't know if I'll live to see it but I can hope.
Happiness?
What do the three countries in your post have that we don't? Perhaps a more ethnically and culturally homogeneous society? Maybe?
Maybe that has something to do with it as well?
I think it does.
Which comes first?
Then after that, let's see how happy they are?
How happy is Greece? Spain? Portugal?
Those are the first countries figuring out that other peoples' money eventually runs out and that skittles being emitted from the arse of the magical unicorn are starting to taste like shite.
We're following them down the path of financial ruin by, as a nation, spending far more than we earn.
Now, if you're a banker debt is good. The more people borrow money you create out of thin air, the more rent you can charge.
Governments, being owned and operated by banks, are obliging their bankster masters by borrowing more and more, based on the collateral of their ability to extract taxes from their citizens.
Thing is, when people realize that playing by the rules is a net loss, they stop.
Some call it going Galt. You might just say people are getting fed up with half the country (the free shite army) having the right to vote for politicians who promise more free shite. Those same politicians use the force of government (guns) to extract their tribute.
The people paying for it all are outnumbered and are getting less and less happy about it.
I welcome the crash of this ponziconomy and the purge of the bankster/Wall St. parasites who produce nothing. I welcome a day when a man keeps the fruits of his labor, ie his wages aka income.
Don't know if I'll live to see it but I can hope.
Happiness?
What do the three countries in your post have that we don't? Perhaps a more ethnically and culturally homogeneous society? Maybe?
Maybe that has something to do with it as well?
I think it does.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 6:30 am to Playground Menace
I agree, this part of Europe is my most enjoyable to visit! Copenhagen is my favorite city to visit. Tivoli is the oldest amusement park in the world! I hope to spent the Christmas Holidays there someday.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 6:32 am to WNCTiger
You do realize that the top 2countries on that list (Denmark, Norway) do NOT use the Euro right?
And in that list, of the 7 european countries on there, only ONE (1) uses Euro.
I would say Denmark and Norway certainly do. The Netherlands (for it's size and population) not so much. And I agree that having a homogeneous society helps keep things "easy". What they do have is a high employment rate and attaining a higher education seems far more common.
sorry, this study was about the happiest countries and the life satisfaction score amongst their inhabitants. It seems people in these countries are very much happy with their way of life.
And in that list, of the 7 european countries on there, only ONE (1) uses Euro.
quote:
What do the three countries in your post have that we don't? Perhaps a more ethnically and culturally homogeneous society? Maybe?
I would say Denmark and Norway certainly do. The Netherlands (for it's size and population) not so much. And I agree that having a homogeneous society helps keep things "easy". What they do have is a high employment rate and attaining a higher education seems far more common.
quote:
The people paying for it all are outnumbered and are getting less and less happy about it.
sorry, this study was about the happiest countries and the life satisfaction score amongst their inhabitants. It seems people in these countries are very much happy with their way of life.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 8:16 am to Playground Menace
I have a standing offer to do a postdoc in Denmark next year after I graduate. I've never really left the US so I'm a little afraid to go, but at the same time think it would be an awesome experience.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 8:32 am to The Easter Bunny
If I had that offer I would jump on it bunny

Posted on 5/24/12 at 9:30 am to Playground Menace
Going galt = going stupid?
What a fricking clown. Norway has outstanding public debt that's half of gdp. Oh and yeah, they have that sovereign wealth fund thing that's second only to the Persian Gulf states and China, and ahead of everyone else by a factor of 2.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 9:44 am to kfizzle85
Can you expand on the Sovereign Wealth Fund issue? It piqued my interest when you mentioned it, but don't see how it fits in with what you said due to lack of understanding on my part.
I know what it is, just don't know what you are trying to say about it. Thanks
I know what it is, just don't know what you are trying to say about it. Thanks
Posted on 5/24/12 at 9:47 am to Teddy Ruxpin
That they're not broke because they have a bank account that's worth $600 billion dollars and its not generated from "other people's money."
Posted on 5/24/12 at 10:15 am to kfizzle85
quote:
That they're not broke because they have a bank account that's worth $600 billion dollars and its not generated from "other people's money."
Gotcha, I wasn't sure how far you were commenting on Sovereign Wealth Funds including their existence, etc. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 10:20 am to kfizzle85
You were talking to me? or to the first response?
I think Norway's economic structure is solid BANK.
Isn't that fund their so-called "oil fund"? in any case, that country is far from broke
I think Norway's economic structure is solid BANK.
Isn't that fund their so-called "oil fund"? in any case, that country is far from broke
Posted on 5/24/12 at 10:29 am to Playground Menace
Second guy and yes.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 10:53 am to Playground Menace
quote:This. Great place to spend a year.
If I had that offer I would jump on it bunny
However, when the rubber hits the road, much of any ""happiness"" index is sourced to expectation of citizens being assessed.
For example, US citizens would generally be stunned at the reduced size and scope of middle class living accommodations in those ""happiest"" countries. Feasibility/cost of individual transportation would be a downer too.
Now, if you don't mind paying ~$2000/month for a 1000sqft home in a medium-sized town, and driving your family around in a smart car, you might well be very happy in a place like the Netherlands. Personally I love Amsterdam, but if I had to raise a family there on a normal income, it would not be a ""happiest country"" for me. The EU mindset is any living space over 1500sqft is lavish or at the least unnecessary. It's the POV one develops when anything larger is also coincidentally unaffordable and therefore outside of range of expectation.
Regarding economies of those non-Euro countries, as goes the EU, so they go too. (At least in general terms)
Posted on 5/24/12 at 11:32 am to NC_Tigah
Well I mean you can say that about literally any large economy on the planet in relation to any other large economy, that's macroeconomics. So goes the EU so goes the US in general terms. So goes China so goes the US and the EU, in general terms. What makes Norway specifically different from the EU (microeconomics) is that their economy is much more levered to oil prices than any other euro country, its like the 3rd or 4th largest producer outside of the ME and Russia. So goes oil prices, so goes Norway; what the EU does has much less of a bearing on them from a micro level. This is bearing itself out right now and will over the next few years.
eta: Norway 2011 real gdp growth: 2.9; EU27 1.5. Brent crude jan 2011: 96, brent crude dec 2011: 108.
etaa: But yeah the happiness index thing = crap for sure.
eta: Norway 2011 real gdp growth: 2.9; EU27 1.5. Brent crude jan 2011: 96, brent crude dec 2011: 108.
etaa: But yeah the happiness index thing = crap for sure.
This post was edited on 5/24/12 at 11:38 am
Posted on 5/24/12 at 11:51 am to kfizzle85
quote:Indeed.
What makes Norway specifically different from the EU (microeconomics) is that their economy is much more levered to oil prices than any other euro country
Sweden, Denmark, Austria, etc not so much.
Whereas Norway could stand insulated (as much or more than the US) from a Eurozone downturn, most of nonEZ-Europe would not be so fortunate. Certainly one would expect a greater economic correlation Austria-to-EZ vs US-to-EZ.
This post was edited on 5/24/12 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 5/24/12 at 12:01 pm to NC_Tigah
Absolutely, I was just referring to Norway given the direction of the thread. Certainly you're spot on regarding the others, and it will be interesting (to me) to see how different countries economies perform relative to others and the EU as a whole as the soveriegn issues continue to play out. For the last 2 years there's not been much to go on as global growth seems to have supported most of them (via Ger or whatever).
Posted on 5/24/12 at 1:33 pm to Playground Menace
quote:
We could stand to learn a bit from all these countries
On thing we can learn is that the phrase "our diversity is our strength" is nonsense. These are 3 of the least diverse countries on the planet.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 2:43 pm to Playground Menace
Norway -- A country of 5 million living with a very well-governed accounting of a natural resource windfall from North Sea oil. They are to be commended for this, as most countries will get this wrong.
The Netherlands -- Historically speaking, the birthplace of capitalism, as around the year 1600 both England and the Netherlands started joint-stock trading companies. The English won the naval wars of the 17th century (taking NYC in the process), but the Dutch still have a very strong legacy of being an urbanized zone of free trade ports (with ~17 million people) near the mouths of the Rhine River Valley, which serves as the German industrial heartland. I'd say that Holland is probably like an older, more liberal, more complacent version of Singapore ... although I've never actually been there.
Denmark -- I'd say that this is definitely the most interest case of the three, because much like Sweden, it does genuinely seem to offer up an alternative to many of the supply-side principles for structuring a prosperous economy. On the one hand, it's small (only about 5.7 million people), largely maritime, and in excellent position to exploit free trade opportunities among its prosperous neighbors (Germany, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, & the U.K.), for which it seems to form a sort of hub. Also, it has no minimum wage and a very high ranking for "ease of doing business."
On the other hand, it has small military commitments, few immigrant conclaves, very high taxation, and tends toward economic stagnation in terms of GDP per capita. The people seem really happy though, so it's an open question at this point if the Denmark-Sweden model is (A) a temporary window of paradise caused by quirky and temporary post-WWII geopolitics; or (B) a sustainable model for political governance that can be held up as a timeless model.
Only time will tell. It'll be really interesting to see what those two countries look like in about 30 or 40 years.
The Netherlands -- Historically speaking, the birthplace of capitalism, as around the year 1600 both England and the Netherlands started joint-stock trading companies. The English won the naval wars of the 17th century (taking NYC in the process), but the Dutch still have a very strong legacy of being an urbanized zone of free trade ports (with ~17 million people) near the mouths of the Rhine River Valley, which serves as the German industrial heartland. I'd say that Holland is probably like an older, more liberal, more complacent version of Singapore ... although I've never actually been there.
Denmark -- I'd say that this is definitely the most interest case of the three, because much like Sweden, it does genuinely seem to offer up an alternative to many of the supply-side principles for structuring a prosperous economy. On the one hand, it's small (only about 5.7 million people), largely maritime, and in excellent position to exploit free trade opportunities among its prosperous neighbors (Germany, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, & the U.K.), for which it seems to form a sort of hub. Also, it has no minimum wage and a very high ranking for "ease of doing business."
On the other hand, it has small military commitments, few immigrant conclaves, very high taxation, and tends toward economic stagnation in terms of GDP per capita. The people seem really happy though, so it's an open question at this point if the Denmark-Sweden model is (A) a temporary window of paradise caused by quirky and temporary post-WWII geopolitics; or (B) a sustainable model for political governance that can be held up as a timeless model.
Only time will tell. It'll be really interesting to see what those two countries look like in about 30 or 40 years.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 2:45 pm to Playground Menace
P.S. -- This reminds me that I need to update my Eurostat debt/deficit thread from 2010, since the updated numbers for 2011 were released by Eurostat on April 23: LINK.
Posted on 5/24/12 at 3:23 pm to Doc Fenton
I have relatives in Sweden, and I've been there a few times. The people there are very happy and healthy. They get taxed a shite ton, but they also have very nice parks, public transportation, free higher education and healthcare. People also get a ton of vacation too..in July there's lots of people taking vacation and traveling. Most get off like 6 weeks.
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