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Posted on 4/27/12 at 5:22 pm to Tigah32
We have a two team playoff system now. Going to 4 or 8 will add more controversy. On selection Sunday hours are spent crying about who was or wasn't the 67th team in the tourney.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 5:39 pm to JPLSU1981
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If you cannot win your conference, it is technically impossible IMO to later proclaim yourself as "nation's best." If you are not the best team in your conference, by simple default you cannot be the country's best team no matter how anyone slices it.
I hear what you're saying, but there's a bit of a contradiction here. If Bama, for example, didn't deserve to be there, how'd they manage to kick our asses?
If you say it's a fluke, then how can you not say that it's possible that 11/5 was a fluke? It was one game won in OT.
The point of a playoff is that we simply have no idea who should play for the NC.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 5:41 pm to AlxTgr
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Attending a single national championship game is a time consuming, expensive endeavor, especially if the game takes place some distance from the majority of a school's fanbase.
Yay...cheaper tickets!
Posted on 4/27/12 at 5:44 pm to Tigah32
for four
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:04 pm to biglego
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True about OK or Texas not getting left out last year. But I'm the opposite. After last year, I don't care at all about the SEC title. LSU won the SEC last year but to me, and to most fans I know, the season ended with a feeling of disappointment. In seasons where the BCS is possible, like last year, the SEC is just another roadblock to the ultimate goal.
I see what you're saying but IMO the SEC is more important because there is never a discussion about who should've been in the SEC title game, there is no media bias, there are no coaches poll ( like Saban voting OSU #5). You win your games and you play for the title. It's not some eyeball test bs. It's decided on the field. Every year after the Title game is played , there is still discussion about who should've been in the game. Not with the sec title. The SEC is the best conference ( even when it's down like last year) and its a prestigious accomplishment ( the second most coveted title)
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:14 pm to Tigah32
Opposed! I swear, this playoff crap is gonna kill CFB. Once there is a 4-team playoff, there is no way to argue against a 8 team, then 16 team playoff. Then who cares if their team goes 12-0 vs 10-2, as long as they get into the playoffs and then play extremely well.
Someday you'll have a UConn get in with a 8-4 record in the sorriest conference in the land, then go on a roll, and with some lucky breaks, wins the championship.....and be the consensus 15th best team in the country. And then CFB will become NCAAM BB.
Someday you'll have a UConn get in with a 8-4 record in the sorriest conference in the land, then go on a roll, and with some lucky breaks, wins the championship.....and be the consensus 15th best team in the country. And then CFB will become NCAAM BB.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:19 pm to ZereauxSum
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I hear what you're saying, but there's a bit of a contradiction here. If Bama, for example, didn't deserve to be there, how'd they manage to kick our asses? If you say it's a fluke, then how can you not say that it's possible that 11/5 was a fluke? It was one game won in OT. The point of a playoff is that we simply have no idea who should play for the NC.
The answer is a simple one. The better team does t always win. Period. Bama was the better team but they lost ,AT HOME. They had every opportunity to win on Nov. 5th , but didnt. Also OSU's resume was far better than Bama's. After nov. 5th Bama didn't play another team with a winning record and only beAt 3 teams with a winning record all year. Also this EYEBALL bullshite they pulled last year was atrocious. Never once has then been used to select BCSCG participants. The eyeball test is severly flawed and goes against everything we've ever been told about college football. Who knew Utah was gonna curb stomp Bama in 08? Who knew Ole Moss would be Florida in 08? Who knew Kstate would beat Oklahoma in 03? Or that Stanford would beat USC? They tell is that any given Saturday anyone can when, but last year, everyone knew Bama would beat anyone
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:21 pm to AlxTgr
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The proposed neutral site playoff systems completely disregard the plight of the traveling fan.
small tradeoff for the benefit of a playoff.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:45 pm to Tigah32
4 team. Does the 5 ranked team deserve to be in the championship? No. Does the 4th? In a lot of cases they have legit arguments. 4 team playoff.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 3:36 am to Tigah32
For a 4 team playoff, using BCS ratings.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:42 am to deadhead
I would love a 4 team championship play off. The argument that there is still going to be controversy on who gets in doesn't mean shite. It doesn't matter if the 2nd or 3rd best team gets left out. What is important is that every year the best team does not get left out. With two teams in the playoffs this doesn't always happen... right Auburn!
The only thing I like better than a 4 team playoff that we are going to get would be if we went to some sort of system like the NFL has. There is NEVER any controversy in the pros on who should have or should not have gone because biased people have not vote on the matter.
Problem is it would be hard to implement because there are just so many more teams than the NFL and the talent isn't as evenly distributed in college ball.
The only thing I like better than a 4 team playoff that we are going to get would be if we went to some sort of system like the NFL has. There is NEVER any controversy in the pros on who should have or should not have gone because biased people have not vote on the matter.
Problem is it would be hard to implement because there are just so many more teams than the NFL and the talent isn't as evenly distributed in college ball.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:02 am to Tigah32
Invite the BCS top 4 ranked Conf Champs only, with Coaches Poll replaced with more SOS weighting to enhance the regular season.
Consider your regular season as your Super Regional. Win and you have a good shot.
This is the only fair way to keep any integrity of the regular season.
And frick Notre Lame if they won't join a conference.
Consider your regular season as your Super Regional. Win and you have a good shot.
This is the only fair way to keep any integrity of the regular season.
And frick Notre Lame if they won't join a conference.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:06 am to Tigah32
4 team playoff involving the top 4 teams in the final BCS poll.
#1 vs #4 at the home stadium of #1
#2 vs #3 at the home stadium of #2
winners face off in the BCSNC.
#1 vs #4 at the home stadium of #1
#2 vs #3 at the home stadium of #2
winners face off in the BCSNC.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:10 am to omegaman66
Years ago, there was a legitimate argument for maintaining the New Year's Day tradition; but now that that's gone, there's just no reason to oppose a playoff. I would prefer the earlier BCS system that had SOS as a stand alone factor, but I'll take what I can get.
So where do the Doze Bowl apologists stand on this? No backroom deals by the Pac-? and Big-? to avoid facing the SEC athletes? (If not, its coming.)
So where do the Doze Bowl apologists stand on this? No backroom deals by the Pac-? and Big-? to avoid facing the SEC athletes? (If not, its coming.)
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:35 am to shinerfan
I get everyone's about the regular season, but the 12-0 team is not always better than the 10-2 team. There are too many variables that have to be taken into consideration. Scheduling is too uneven. Boise St. plays a one or two game season every year. They play a tough team to start the season and then another in a bowl. In both situations they have at least 3 weeks to a month to prepare. On the flip side, you have a 2-loss team out of the SEC that has to grind each week. How is that the same?
Until scheduling becomes more even, you won't know who the best team is until they actually play each other. This year was an anomaly. Yes we beat Alabama, but that game could have gone either way. No one in their right mind could tell themselves that Oklahoma St. or Oregon, or Stanford was better than Alabama. The argument comes down to who an individual thinks is more deserving. Those are two different arguments. I don't think Bama deserved to be there because they had their shot, but on the other hand I think they were one of the top 2 teams in the country last year, as they proved in the championship game.
Just because Wisconsin wins the Big Ten doesn't make them any better than the second best team in the SEC or Big XII, for example. So why do they get to automatically make the final four? Now if we end up with four superconferences, then it becomes a moot point. The four winners square off for all the marbles.
Until scheduling becomes more even, you won't know who the best team is until they actually play each other. This year was an anomaly. Yes we beat Alabama, but that game could have gone either way. No one in their right mind could tell themselves that Oklahoma St. or Oregon, or Stanford was better than Alabama. The argument comes down to who an individual thinks is more deserving. Those are two different arguments. I don't think Bama deserved to be there because they had their shot, but on the other hand I think they were one of the top 2 teams in the country last year, as they proved in the championship game.
Just because Wisconsin wins the Big Ten doesn't make them any better than the second best team in the SEC or Big XII, for example. So why do they get to automatically make the final four? Now if we end up with four superconferences, then it becomes a moot point. The four winners square off for all the marbles.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:58 am to ZereauxSum
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I hear what you're saying, but there's a bit of a contradiction here. If Bama, for example, didn't deserve to be there, how'd they manage to kick our asses?
If you say it's a fluke, then how can you not say that it's possible that 11/5 was a fluke? It was one game won in OT.
The point of a playoff is that we simply have no idea who should play for the NC.
+100
I favor a six-team playoff with one and two getting a bye into the semis. Including six teams should minimize the chance that anyone has a legitimate argument that a team capable of being a national champion has been left out.
#1 vs winner of #4 vs #6 @ #1's home
#2 vs winner of #3 vs #5 @ #2's home
It would also be nice to see them get rid of about half of the affirmative actions bowls.
6-6 and 7-5 teams aren't really deserving of post-season play
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 7:02 am
Posted on 4/28/12 at 7:56 am to Tigah32
I am opposed to it because:
1) it offers no real solution to any of the problems of the BCS (so there's no upside to it, other than money and media hype)
2) it automatically devalues the regular season, which is the greatest thing about college football and the biggest difference between it and basically all other significant sports, and
3) it increases the likelihood of an undeserving/unworthy team being awarded a "championship" for getting lucky for 2 or 3 games as opposed to consistently performing over the course of the whole season.
1) it offers no real solution to any of the problems of the BCS (so there's no upside to it, other than money and media hype)
2) it automatically devalues the regular season, which is the greatest thing about college football and the biggest difference between it and basically all other significant sports, and
3) it increases the likelihood of an undeserving/unworthy team being awarded a "championship" for getting lucky for 2 or 3 games as opposed to consistently performing over the course of the whole season.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 8:52 am to King Joey
quote:The regular season will still carry plenty weight if they:
1) it offers no real solution to any of the problems of the BCS (so there's no upside to it, other than money and media hype)
2) it automatically devalues the regular season, which is the greatest thing about college football and the biggest difference between it and basically all other significant sports, and
3) it increases the likelihood of an undeserving/unworthy team being awarded a "championship" for getting lucky for 2 or 3 games as opposed to consistently performing over the course of the whole season.
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Invite the BCS top 4 ranked Conf Champs only, with Coaches Poll replaced with more SOS weighting to enhance the regular season.
They look to be going to a playoff regardless, and I hope this is how they do it.
Your conference schedule should be your qualifying tournament to get in NC playoff, and if you didn't win it convincingly or played a weak schedule, the BCS Poll would keep you from Top 4.
I'm sure the other conferences would like to limit each other (read SEC) to a max of one participant and would vote this in.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:16 am to Mayhawman
The new twist that came out yesterday is that #1 and #2 will "host" a BCS semifinal game in their traditional bowl game. For example, if LSU finished #1, LSU would host #4 in the Sugar Bowl. If USC finishes #2, they would host #3 in the Rose Bowl. What this means is that no one would know which BCS games are going to be the two semifinal games until the regular season is complete. It's a way of incorporating the 4-team playoff without completely discarding traditional bowl tie-ins.
Also, they will be adding a BCS game....So there will be 5 BCS games total (10 teams in all), two of which will be semifinal games matching 1-4 and 2-3. The Cotton and Peach are the two likely to become the 5th BCS site. The national championship game would then be played a week after the BCS games.
Also, they will be adding a BCS game....So there will be 5 BCS games total (10 teams in all), two of which will be semifinal games matching 1-4 and 2-3. The Cotton and Peach are the two likely to become the 5th BCS site. The national championship game would then be played a week after the BCS games.
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 9:18 am
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