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Kaman Trade Speculation
Posted on 3/2/12 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 3/2/12 at 8:24 pm
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Broussard listed Houston, GS, and Miami as teams with interest and here is some analysis.
Broussard listed Houston, GS, and Miami as teams with interest and here is some analysis.
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Upon first glance, the Rockets seem like the team most capable of obtaining Kaman, if they so choose. The Rockets are teeming with tradable value, are in need of a backup center (especially with the recent injury to Jordan Hill), and are always looking to make steady, improving moves at the trade deadline. With the price for Kaman apparently lessened, the Rockets could conceivably be forced to only give up players like Terrence Williams, Jonny Flynn, or Hasheem Thabeet, none of whom currently find themselves in the team’s rotation. Despite their flaws and recently stagnated careers, all three players possess some modicum of talent, especially Williams. The Rockets have also accrued a series of picks in the coming years, but it seems unlikely they’ll deal a valuable pick for a decent backup center with an expiring contract. As for the Heat and Warriors, a Kaman-filled future appears less probable. The Heat simply don’t have many attractive trade pieces, though a late-first round pick could be in play, if the Heat are willing. As for the Warriors, a move for Kaman just doesn’t make much sense.
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Posted on 3/2/12 at 10:00 pm to corndeaux
I think the rockets make the most sense in that they have extra draft picks to trade. either way things should start heating up.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 12:01 am to corndeaux
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but it seems unlikely they’ll deal a valuable pick for a decent backup center with an expiring contract.
Decent backup? Think he's undermining Kaman's ability.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 1:13 am to WarhawkTiger6
Surprised the Pacers aren't even mentioned. I'm fairly certain they don't even have to give up any salary to get him
Posted on 3/3/12 at 8:10 am to PatrickClay10
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Surprised the Pacers aren't even mentioned.
Me too. If the article is right and they can get him for a 2nd, I'm not sure why they haven't pulled the trigger. He would be a valuable backup to Hibbert in the playoffs.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 8:36 am to corndeaux
isn't this guy playing well for the Hornets ... why the frick would they want to trade him? I don't get it.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 8:47 am to TigerJeff
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isn't this guy playing well for the Hornets ... why the frick would they want to trade him? I don't get it.
He's playing alright, but nothing that makes the team think they have to keep this guy.
He's expiring and has some value to playoff teams looking to add frontcourt depth. They got him in the Paul deal for salary matching and then trading purposes. Time to cash in and see what he can get the team. Unfortunate that it looks like it could only be a 2nd rd pick for him, but I trust Demps's record in finding unknown guys who can play.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 9:00 am to corndeaux
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He's playing alright
The frick? Guy is playing absolutely great right now.
They would probably love to keep him, but he's an expiring contract and they have 2 years committed to Okafor. Kaman is the better trade piece, hence he will be traded instead of lost for nothing.
And Broussard loves to undervalue moves from small markets. He's a mouthpiece for the big markets...they leak info to him to try and get leverage. I don't believe anything from him.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 9:01 am to corndeaux
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He's playing alright, but nothing that makes the team think they have to keep this guy.
He's expiring and has some value to playoff teams looking to add frontcourt depth. They got him in the Paul deal for salary matching and then trading purposes. Time to cash in and see what he can get the team. Unfortunate that it looks like it could only be a 2nd rd pick for him, but I trust Demps's record in finding unknown guys who can play.
See, this is my problem. I understand the concept completely, but in absolute terms a second round pick in return for a solid, proven center like Kaman depresses the crap out of me.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 9:24 am to VOR
I like him. He has as many assist per game as our guards. He plays smart basketball. They need to find a way to keep him.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 9:34 am to VOR
It would be stupid to trade him for a 2nd, resign him if no one wants to give more
Posted on 3/3/12 at 9:47 am to Fun Bunch
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Broussard loves to undervalue moves from small markets. He's a mouthpiece for the big markets...they leak info to him to try and get leverage. I don't believe anything from him.
This is definitely a garbage piece. You're trying to tell me the only teams that have interest are Houston and 2 teams that have no shot of trading for him? Did the Houston GM write the article for you himself Broussard? Or maybe it was Larry Bird so that 2nd and TPE starts looking good.
This post was edited on 3/3/12 at 9:49 am
Posted on 3/3/12 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
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The frick? Guy is playing absolutely great right now.
He played very well last night, but he is not playing great. Kaman is an outstanding rebounder, otherwise he is very average across the board.
Since he's come back (11 games)-
FG 77-192 40%
7 makes per game out of 17.4 attempts.
188 total points. Less than 1 point per shot. Awful for a center.
FT- 45 attempts, 34 makes. He shoots a high percentage from the line but only gets there 4.4 times per game. He shoots way too many jumpers when he should be on the block using his best assets, size and post moves.
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He has as many assist per game as our guards. He plays smart basketball
Assists- 29 in 11 games. That is very good for a center, but not as many apg as Jack or Vasquez.
Turnovers- 32. Not so good at all.
A center who shoots 40$% from the field and turns it over 3 times per game is not "playing absolutely great."
nb4butheoopensthefloor4everyone
This post was edited on 3/3/12 at 10:22 am
Posted on 3/3/12 at 10:24 am to corndeaux
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nb4butheoopensthefloor4everyone
But he does
After the draft we may prefer Okafor's defense and efficiency, but for THIS rag tag band of misfits, Kaman will be missed once he's traded.Posted on 3/3/12 at 10:50 am to TigerinATL
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but for THIS rag tag band of misfits, Kaman will be missed once he's traded.
Fair enough. I understand that. I do not understand the "We need to resign Kaman. He is a great center" sentiment.
I will also add that this team, even with Okafor, was playing hard and tough on most nights. Some of those games the team lost earlier, they are now winning. Maybe having more time together is helping, ot maybe Kaman is helping, or maybe it's just a random luck. Team's season margin is only -4.9. Not great, but not awful- especialy with this roster. Just 2 possessions of better play.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 10:53 am to corndeaux
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We need to resign Kaman. He is a great center"
That's an overstatement, I agree. However, like I said before, he's far from garbage and he is a solid, hard working center. As to whether he is actually a keeper would depend upon who surrounds him, imo. But like I said, it just depresses me that we would walk away with a second round pick for the guy.
Posted on 3/3/12 at 11:06 am to VOR
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he's far from garbage and he is a solid, hard working center
Yes. And he seems like a pretty cool dude. Just don't see why a rebuilding team would want to add him.
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it just depresses me that we would walk away with a second round pick for the guy.
I agree. At some point though, even a 2nd is better than just letting him walk.
Who would have thought Minnesota would finally be good and there wouldn't be any teams that are desperate for a center and can make a good deal. Hornets can't catch a break.
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