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Who Is Your 3RD RD Pick? Any #59's still around?
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:26 am
I've taken the nominees from the Gil Brandt Top 100 list to look at a little closer and discuss. Add your personal insight, scouting reports, other ratings, videos, etc. Maybe we can hone it down to a few consensus favorites.
Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
Josh Chapman, DT, Alabama
Bobby Wagner, LB, Utah State
Ronnell Lewis, DE, Oklahoma
Lavonte David, LB, Nebrraska
Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State
Senior Bowl participants TODAY
Let's get some stuff out on the guys playing at the Sr Bowl first...
Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
Josh Chapman, DT, Alabama
Bobby Wagner, LB, Utah State
Ronnell Lewis, DE, Oklahoma
Lavonte David, LB, Nebrraska
Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State
Senior Bowl participants TODAY
Let's get some stuff out on the guys playing at the Sr Bowl first...
This post was edited on 3/25/12 at 12:21 pm
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Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:31 am to blueslover
A two part pick? If I didn't know any better, I'd say you're playing with it.
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Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:52 am to blueslover
get the ball rollin with the highest rated name on the list, Vinny Curry...
SR BOWL WEIGH IN NUMBERS
6-3 265
HANDS 9.25
ARMS 32
WINGSPAN 78.25
Vinny Curry is a well-rounded defensive end prospect out of Marshall. This member of the Thundering Herd has shown flashes of first round potential as a three-year starter.
Curry definitely looks the part of an elite, athletic defensive end at 6'4" and 263 pounds. He will have to compete with underclassmen to maintain his early round draft stock, but he's adding a great senior year to an already stacked collegiate resume.
He displays a very good array of pass rushing moves. Whether he is ripping offensive tackles to the ground or shoving them back into the quarterback, he does a great job consistently getting after the quarterback (especially if the pocket collapses). Curry will need to improve his technique on running plays that attack his side of the field. He is sometimes too caught up in attacking the quarterback that he'll either take himself out of position or a well-timed double team will severely compromise his gap assignment.
If he adds some flexibility to his lower half, Curry could end up as a team's leading pass rusher. If he shows explosion during the combine, his stock could be on the rise very quickly.
Curry projects as an early second round prospect in the 2012 NFL Draft.
Last Updated Oct-31-2011
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Film Room Notes: vs UAB, vs Memphis
Strengths: Nice size, with sub 4.8 speed – Sudden pass-rusher, uses a good bull rush, conversion rush, and a decent swim move – Uses his hands very well – Recognizes blocking schemes quickly – Very productive, applies consistent pressure on quarterbacks – Closes quickly when he gets a run at the QB – Good motor, doesn’t quit on plays and pursues well – Adept at getting to the ball (6 FF, 2 blocked kicks so far in 2011) – Plays 4-3 DE, but has the skill-set to transition to a rush OLB – Plus intangibles according to teammates and coaches, current team captain.
Weaknesses: Hasn’t played a ton of great competition, but has produced against good teams – Disappears at times against double-teams – Not the most stout, has trouble holding the POA against top OL’s – Will need to add to his repertoire of rush moves.
Last Updated: November 2nd, 2011
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Adequate height. Good overall size. A smart, patient player. Does a great job playing to the situation; rarely hurts himself by being overaggressive in his effort to get into the backfield, a common flaw among college ends. Has the ability to be a realiable three-down lineman. Effective pass rusher with a variety of moves. Has the quick burst to be an effective speed rusher, but also the strength to use the bull rush on occasion. Experienced lining up at end in 3-4 and 4-3 formations. Has been productive in his few opportunities against elite competition (great game vs Ohio State in 2010). Could potentially play linebacker in a 3-4 system. Weaknesses: Athleticism is marginal; will struggle dropping into coverage if moved to linebacker. Marginal speed. May not be a consistent pass-rush threat at the next level. Lacks the speed to make plays in pursuit, but does put forth the effort. Level of competition is a minor concern; hasn’t proven himself against top opponents week after week. Comments: Curry lacks the measurables to be considered an elite prospect, but he has a well-rounded skill set which should make him an effective starter at the next level. He’s probably best suited to play with his hand on the ground in a 4-3 system, but 3-4 teams will likely consider him an option at linebacker.
12/13/2011
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Player Comparison: LaMarr Woodley
Round Projection: Mid Second Round
LaMarr Woodley is the comparison here due to similar body builds and how they were used in college versus how they will be used in the pros. Only difference is Woodley played elite competition. Still a 3-4 team needing a pass rusher will likely select him in Round 2. Curry helped his stock out a ton by gaining 20 pounds and not losing any speed. With a season or two to work on his coverage skills I believe Curry to become a 9-10 sack a season talent. Teams like Dolphins, Jets, Bills, Patriots, Packers, and Cowboys should take a long look in Round 2 on this guy.
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Senior Bowl-
---Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor - "A day after leaping to prominence by darting into the backfield and forcing a fumble, the undersized pass rusher was the star of the day in the North squad's practice for Saturday's Senior Bowl game. Following the morning session, Curry was surrounded by scouts seeking personal information.
"He was quick, elusive, forceful and disruptive. He looked every part of a playmaker. Curry was the best of the tweeners in a Senior Bowl that is loaded with tweeners on both teams' rosters.
---Tony Pauline, SI.com draft analyst - "Very athletic, very quick, natural pass rusher. Quick change of direction. Has all the attributes to make the change to outside linebacker in a 3-4."
---New York Times NFL Blog - "Curry showed his quick burst off the edge and ability to penetrate against the run against top competition. There are still blemishes in his game, but he'll have many teams taking a second look at his tape."
---Mike Mayock, NFL Network - "I like Vinny Curry. He plays with a great motor, great leverage. He gets up the field. He's quick. I think he's probably a second-round pick."
VIDEOS
Curry1
Curry2
Curry3
A tweener type, these guys can get premium value if he grades out well as a 3-4 OLB. Looks like it would take some fall on boards to be around at #59. Not so far to be out of the realm of possibility tho. Probably a guy we would like to see have a disappointing combine. This time last year Martez Wilson was in discussion as a late first rounder. He had arguably the worst combine of any player. That's why he fell to the 8th pick in the 3rd Rd, #72 overall. Keep an eye on this guy to see if you might be chanting "VinNY, VinNy, VinNY!" next year.
SR BOWL WEIGH IN NUMBERS
6-3 265
HANDS 9.25
ARMS 32
WINGSPAN 78.25
Vinny Curry is a well-rounded defensive end prospect out of Marshall. This member of the Thundering Herd has shown flashes of first round potential as a three-year starter.
Curry definitely looks the part of an elite, athletic defensive end at 6'4" and 263 pounds. He will have to compete with underclassmen to maintain his early round draft stock, but he's adding a great senior year to an already stacked collegiate resume.
He displays a very good array of pass rushing moves. Whether he is ripping offensive tackles to the ground or shoving them back into the quarterback, he does a great job consistently getting after the quarterback (especially if the pocket collapses). Curry will need to improve his technique on running plays that attack his side of the field. He is sometimes too caught up in attacking the quarterback that he'll either take himself out of position or a well-timed double team will severely compromise his gap assignment.
If he adds some flexibility to his lower half, Curry could end up as a team's leading pass rusher. If he shows explosion during the combine, his stock could be on the rise very quickly.
Curry projects as an early second round prospect in the 2012 NFL Draft.
Last Updated Oct-31-2011
---------------------------
Film Room Notes: vs UAB, vs Memphis
Strengths: Nice size, with sub 4.8 speed – Sudden pass-rusher, uses a good bull rush, conversion rush, and a decent swim move – Uses his hands very well – Recognizes blocking schemes quickly – Very productive, applies consistent pressure on quarterbacks – Closes quickly when he gets a run at the QB – Good motor, doesn’t quit on plays and pursues well – Adept at getting to the ball (6 FF, 2 blocked kicks so far in 2011) – Plays 4-3 DE, but has the skill-set to transition to a rush OLB – Plus intangibles according to teammates and coaches, current team captain.
Weaknesses: Hasn’t played a ton of great competition, but has produced against good teams – Disappears at times against double-teams – Not the most stout, has trouble holding the POA against top OL’s – Will need to add to his repertoire of rush moves.
Last Updated: November 2nd, 2011
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Adequate height. Good overall size. A smart, patient player. Does a great job playing to the situation; rarely hurts himself by being overaggressive in his effort to get into the backfield, a common flaw among college ends. Has the ability to be a realiable three-down lineman. Effective pass rusher with a variety of moves. Has the quick burst to be an effective speed rusher, but also the strength to use the bull rush on occasion. Experienced lining up at end in 3-4 and 4-3 formations. Has been productive in his few opportunities against elite competition (great game vs Ohio State in 2010). Could potentially play linebacker in a 3-4 system. Weaknesses: Athleticism is marginal; will struggle dropping into coverage if moved to linebacker. Marginal speed. May not be a consistent pass-rush threat at the next level. Lacks the speed to make plays in pursuit, but does put forth the effort. Level of competition is a minor concern; hasn’t proven himself against top opponents week after week. Comments: Curry lacks the measurables to be considered an elite prospect, but he has a well-rounded skill set which should make him an effective starter at the next level. He’s probably best suited to play with his hand on the ground in a 4-3 system, but 3-4 teams will likely consider him an option at linebacker.
12/13/2011
-------------------------
Player Comparison: LaMarr Woodley
Round Projection: Mid Second Round
LaMarr Woodley is the comparison here due to similar body builds and how they were used in college versus how they will be used in the pros. Only difference is Woodley played elite competition. Still a 3-4 team needing a pass rusher will likely select him in Round 2. Curry helped his stock out a ton by gaining 20 pounds and not losing any speed. With a season or two to work on his coverage skills I believe Curry to become a 9-10 sack a season talent. Teams like Dolphins, Jets, Bills, Patriots, Packers, and Cowboys should take a long look in Round 2 on this guy.
------------------------
Senior Bowl-
---Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor - "A day after leaping to prominence by darting into the backfield and forcing a fumble, the undersized pass rusher was the star of the day in the North squad's practice for Saturday's Senior Bowl game. Following the morning session, Curry was surrounded by scouts seeking personal information.
"He was quick, elusive, forceful and disruptive. He looked every part of a playmaker. Curry was the best of the tweeners in a Senior Bowl that is loaded with tweeners on both teams' rosters.
---Tony Pauline, SI.com draft analyst - "Very athletic, very quick, natural pass rusher. Quick change of direction. Has all the attributes to make the change to outside linebacker in a 3-4."
---New York Times NFL Blog - "Curry showed his quick burst off the edge and ability to penetrate against the run against top competition. There are still blemishes in his game, but he'll have many teams taking a second look at his tape."
---Mike Mayock, NFL Network - "I like Vinny Curry. He plays with a great motor, great leverage. He gets up the field. He's quick. I think he's probably a second-round pick."
VIDEOS
Curry1
Curry2
Curry3
A tweener type, these guys can get premium value if he grades out well as a 3-4 OLB. Looks like it would take some fall on boards to be around at #59. Not so far to be out of the realm of possibility tho. Probably a guy we would like to see have a disappointing combine. This time last year Martez Wilson was in discussion as a late first rounder. He had arguably the worst combine of any player. That's why he fell to the 8th pick in the 3rd Rd, #72 overall. Keep an eye on this guy to see if you might be chanting "VinNY, VinNy, VinNY!" next year.
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:55 am to blueslover
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Lavonte David, LB, Nebrraska
Coached by Bo Pelini, this guy can play some ball.
Evidence?
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ETA:
"Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska: At only 6-0, 225 pounds and with a maxed-out frame, Lavonte David doesn't necessarily look like a prototypical first-round linebacker, but his play says otherwise. He flies around the field with controlled aggression, looking natural bursting in any direction with very good first-step quickness. David doesn't have ideal strength to tear through blocks, but where he separates himself from the pack is his ability to find the ball and finish with a competitive drive. Also rare is his ability in reverse with smooth hip action and fluid footwork to drop and cover. David was a tackling machine in Lincoln with 285 tackles the past two seasons for the Huskers and displayed a passion for the game of football that carried over to Senior Bowl practice."
"LB Lavonte David, Nebraska: One of the more impressive players so far this week has been Lavonte David, the tackling machine from Lincoln. However where he has been most impressive is his drops, showing fluid hips and above average footwork for a linebacker when asked to turn and run. David isn't the most physically imposing at 6-0 1/2" and 225 pounds, but he is a sure-tackler with the first step quickness and natural instincts needed for the position."
"Read & React: Tough player with excellent instincts and quick reaction time, involves himself in many run and pass plays all over the field. Occasionally guesses, flying into holes instead of finding the ball then attacking it and leaving his area open to receivers and running lanes.
Run defense: Plays mostly in the box, flies through creases to wrap up the legs of backs trying to find a hole or attempting to get to the sideline. Despite his lack of size, attacks oncoming linemen with a punch or stiff-arm into their chest and makes tackles in the box with blockers on his back. Gives and gets the worst of collisions inside.
Pass defense: Strong in coverage, often used as the only linebacker on the field against spread defenses. Possesses the quickness to stay with running backs on wheel routes or trail across the middle. Stays with underneath routes while in zone, able to break up passes in front of receivers with front hand without interfering. Gives up size to most NFL-caliber tight ends and better backs separate during routes with length and strength. Bites on aggressive arrow routes, loses his balance when trying to change directions at times.
Tackling: Hustling chase tackler who hits the thighs and wraps up legs very effectively. Tries to strip the ball when tackle is secured, has good success even against tight ends. Bigger ballcarriers can stiff-arm him in the open field because of his lack of size and length, but it does not happen too often.
Pass Rush/Blitz: Explodes through creases to reach the passer, bringing down most with a strong hit. Also chases down quarterbacks escaping the pocket to rack up sacks. Rips off running back blocks to chase the passer but freezes too often when initially facing them, making him late to reach the ball.
Intangibles: Good football work ethic and intelligence. Possesses strong character and humble attitude, called "coach's dream" by Nebraska head coach Bo Pelini. "
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 10:14 am
Posted on 1/28/12 at 1:30 pm to blueslover
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Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
He seems very intriguing to me.
After JUCO, he showed up to WVU and set it on fire with 14 sacks. This after getting 16 sacks in JUCO. He was looking like a sure-fire 1st rounder at that point, but came back for his SR year. This past year wasn't as productive, but still came away with 8.5 sacks and 15 TFL.
Anyone else have some more info on him and why his hype seems to be down?
Posted on 2/8/12 at 12:51 pm to blueslover
quote:
Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
I would love to get him at 59, but I really think he'll be gone by then.
quote:
Lavonte David, LB, Nebrraska
Reminds me a bit of Vilma, TBH, in terms of intelligence and instincts. Would love to add him to the corps, but I think he's borderline available at 59.
quote:
Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
Bobby Wagner, LB, Utah State
Ronnell Lewis, DE, Oklahoma
These three I think will/should be available at 59 and would be good picks.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 1:30 pm to blueslover
quote:
Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
Said in the combine thread that I wouldn't want to take a chance with this guy in the second round.
quote:
Ruled academically ineligible sophomore year of high school. Dropped out of school and struggled with off-the-field issues. Spent two years out of football and briefly spent time in juvenile detention center before earning GED in 2007. Grew up in Georgia but decided to get away from temptations when looking at junior colleges. Attempted to walk on at Butler Community College in Kansas but didn't make the team and later enrolled at Mt San Antonio Community College. Played safety for one year them moved to defensive end to take advantage of ability to get to quarterback. De-committed from Tennessee and then Arizona State before settling on West Virginia.
Third maybe, fourth and beyond, definitely, but I doubt he'd still be around past the fourth - someone will take a chance on him by then IMO.
Posted on 2/23/12 at 9:01 am to blueslover
anybody that plays the position of LINEBACKER
Posted on 2/23/12 at 9:45 am to blueslover
I would like to draft Dre Kirkpatrick or Trent Richardson, Maybe Robert Griffin III to backup Drew.... or Justin Blackmon...
Posted on 2/28/12 at 4:43 pm to blueslover
Wagner or David would be my guess.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 3:05 am to blueslover
What happened to Zach Brown, the LB from North Carolina? About a month or so ago, he was pegged as a top 20 pick and now I rarely even see him in the first round.
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