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re: I guess Matt Flynn was better than JaMarcus Russell after all
Posted on 1/1/12 at 8:42 pm to bradwieser
Posted on 1/1/12 at 8:42 pm to bradwieser
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Sure, but he didnt just say JR isnt stupid. He went into specifics about how much football knowledge he was able to handle and the types of reads he was able to make. He didnt have to say that stuff. He could have said any number of things in a coach speak sorta way, but he didnt.
Being willfully lazy is in fact an act of stupidity.
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“I never knew that guy,” Fisher said on ESPN 760, talking about the lazy player Russell has become. “His work ethic for us — everything I ever asked him to do, he did. He was smart, he carried three and four play packages at the line of scrimmage.”
And that is complete horseshite. JR rarely called plays at the line of scrimmage. He did not direct or redirect traffic very much at all. He at most had two play packages like most qb's.
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 8:46 pm to bradwieser
Lots of people consider Flynn the smarter QB, even though he threw way more INTs
Posted on 1/1/12 at 8:49 pm to DP40
Yeah, Im sure Jimbo just made all that shite up for no reason. Ill ignore what he said and the pre-draft reports on Russel and believe you.
I'll also ignore every measurable statistic that shows JR was a better QB than Flynn at LSU.
I'll also ignore every measurable statistic that shows JR was a better QB than Flynn at LSU.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 8:55 pm to Rittdog
put flynn in oakland under the same coaching staff and then.......
Posted on 1/1/12 at 8:57 pm to bradwieser
Jimbo made that shite up to back his former player. No big deal as many coaches do that. It's called exaggeration to make players look better and that happens alot.
JR had a better year than Flynn statistically, but Flynn played smarter than JR especially when you consider a new system, less WR experience, and injuries to Flynn.
People seem to blame Flynn for the losses, but disregard the drops(especially Kenty game) and porous defense in both games.
JR had a better year than Flynn statistically, but Flynn played smarter than JR especially when you consider a new system, less WR experience, and injuries to Flynn.
People seem to blame Flynn for the losses, but disregard the drops(especially Kenty game) and porous defense in both games.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:02 pm to mrportcity
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put flynn in oakland under the same coaching staff and then.......
He would have changed the entire culture bro
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:10 pm to bradwieser
Flynn didn't have 3 and 10 point shitbombs like Russell did that cost them games. Auburn '06 was one of the worst games I have seen a QB have at LSU. Florida '06 was pretty horrific as well.
The LSU defense cost them the two games in '07. The O never scored less than 28 when Flynn was the QB.
The LSU defense cost them the two games in '07. The O never scored less than 28 when Flynn was the QB.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:17 pm to bradwieser
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Flynn had Doucet, Byrd, Lafell and Dickson.
So your argument is that Byrd and Lafell, at that time, were equal replacements for third year starters Bowe and Davis. You ignore the fact that Doucet and Flynn were injured during the season.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:21 pm to josh336
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Lots of people consider Flynn the smarter QB, even though he threw way more INTs
I would like to see what Flynn could have done without the last year being under Gary Crowton.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:25 pm to jdog24116
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Please don't compare lee to Flynn
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:32 pm to jozy
I have been sayin for awhile to deaf ears the problem with Jamarcus was going thru his progressions and finding an open receiver, I've always said that, and now it's come to light. He got by in college because of the talent at WR then with Bowe, Doucette, and Davis. but in the NFL, he couldn't disguise it anymore, along with being a lazy QB, not wanting to get better and all was his downfall.
Flynn on the other hand could make proggressions and did while at LSU, people talk about the 2 OT losses and I say that wasn't his fault, the defense failed in those games, Flynn put enough points on the board to win. So his success in the NFL doesn't surprise me.
Flynn on the other hand could make proggressions and did while at LSU, people talk about the 2 OT losses and I say that wasn't his fault, the defense failed in those games, Flynn put enough points on the board to win. So his success in the NFL doesn't surprise me.
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:32 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
Auburn had an incredible defense in '06 and Russel still completed 58% of his passes that game for 269 yards. Conservative playcalling had more to do with the scoring than Jmarcs 20-35 for 269 yd performance.
Meanwhile Flynn couldnt even complete 50% of his passes in the 2 losses to unranked teams.
Flynn, Mr. smart guy, almost blew the Auburn game by wasting way too much time getting the final play off.
Flynn threw INTs in 7 games, Jmarc 4.
Russel also scored a 24 on the wonderlic higher than Marino, Favre and McNabb to name a few.
Im not saying Flynn's receiving core was just as good as Jmarcs but it was damn good.
Basically the statistics, LSU coaching staff, and NFL scouts all say Jmarc was the better QB. But some rantards want to revise history based on a one game performance 4, 5 years after both player have left LSU.
Meanwhile Flynn couldnt even complete 50% of his passes in the 2 losses to unranked teams.
Flynn, Mr. smart guy, almost blew the Auburn game by wasting way too much time getting the final play off.
Flynn threw INTs in 7 games, Jmarc 4.
Russel also scored a 24 on the wonderlic higher than Marino, Favre and McNabb to name a few.
Im not saying Flynn's receiving core was just as good as Jmarcs but it was damn good.
Basically the statistics, LSU coaching staff, and NFL scouts all say Jmarc was the better QB. But some rantards want to revise history based on a one game performance 4, 5 years after both player have left LSU.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:35 pm to bradwieser
yet he couldn't find an open receiver when it mattered the most against Auburn, 3 points, are you kiddin me? and the Auburn tough defense is old because they got beat handidly down the road by other SEC teams. you can say what you want about Flynn, but his NFL success speaks volumes. and people thought Flynn was just a running QB would could just throw decent while at LSU. 
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:35 pm to Rittdog
Yes ,old news for anyone who knew the difference.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:39 pm to tubucoco
quote:it does, it just doesnt speak to idea that he was a better college QB than Jmarc.
you can say what you want about Flynn, but his NFL success speaks volumes.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:41 pm to bradwieser
you and me will never know the truth about that because he didn't get the chance to prove it while JR was there, just that final season of leading LSU to a title.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:42 pm to Rittdog
Jamarcus Russell was a great college quarterback who started for appx 2 1/2 years while Matt Flynn was only given 1 year. The NFL has a way of separating quarterbacks. Seems that Jamarcus lacks either mental confidence, drive or both. Matt Flynn didn't possess the enormous physical arm that Jamarcus has, but obviously has something that Jamarcus doesn't.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:43 pm to bradwieser
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But some rantards want to revise history based on a one game performance 4, 5 years after both player have left LSU
Sure, that one performance plus the reality that Flynn is where he is and JR is where he is.
The reasons JR failed in the NFL are the same reasons he failed to live up to his potential in college.
People talking about JR's intelligence make it easy for his defenders. It's not about his intelligence. It's about his lack of intensity and leadership ability. There's a reason JR and the offense were so different when they needed a 4th quarter comeback. It's b/c that's what it took to light a fire under his arse. I don't know that we could have been better if Flynn would have started, but I know we could have been a lot better with JR than we were.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:45 pm to Rittdog
Yes ,old news for anyone who knew the difference.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 9:45 pm to bradwieser
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Auburn had an incredible defense in '06 and Russel still completed 58% of his passes that game for 269 yards. Conservative playcalling had more to do with the scoring than Jmarcs 20-35 for 269 yd performance.
And JR demonstrated how incompetent he was in game winning drive vs. Auburn. Complete ineptness on his part.
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Meanwhile Flynn couldnt even complete 50% of his passes in the 2 losses to unranked teams.
Drops in Kenty game including a game clinching TD. Plus JR had some shite games in his losses, so it's a moot point.
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Flynn, Mr. smart guy, almost blew the Auburn game by wasting way too much time getting the final play off.
Not on Flynn, dumbo. Plus, he was well aware of the time thus why he hurried once he realized the coaches didn't want a TO.
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Flynn threw INTs in 7 games, Jmarc 4.
Russel also scored a 24 on the wonderlic higher than Marino, Favre and McNabb to name a few.
Im not saying Flynn's receiving core was just as good as Jmarcs but it was damn good.
Reaching for bs now.
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Basically the statistics, LSU coaching staff, and NFL scouts all say Jmarc was the better QB. But some rantards want to revise history based on a one game performance 4, 5 years after both player have left LSU.
JR was simply projected to be a better NFL QB based off his college play. Obviously they were WAY wrong and when you read the Packers surprise about Flynn's arm strength and speed during his rookie year should tell you how much Flynn played hurt during most of his senior year thus skewed his stats to some degree.
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 9:47 pm
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