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re: Rabalais Nails it on SEC Scheduling

Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:30 am to
Posted by LSU91MBA
Houston
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:30 am to
My vote is to either "force" it the way it is for 2012 or "fix" and go based on geography.... which mirrors what the article said.

It makes no sense to have games only once every 12 years with other division opponents.

Honestly 12 was the right # of teams for the SEC.... aTm and Mizzou frick that up... we really don't gain much from having them in my opinion.... TV market... blah, blah, blah.

aTm fans are still going to hate UT and won't give a rats arse if UK is playing Vandy or UGA on TV in Waco, TX.

Pure East and West (IF you have these 14 members) is the only thing that really makes sense.

East:
UF
UGA
USC
UT
UK
AU
UA

West:
aTm
Mizzou
Ark
LSU
OM
Vandy
MSU
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 10:33 am
Posted by Ignatius J. Reilly
Member since Sep 2005
207 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:34 am to
I agree that Bama and Tennessee shouldn't be able to dictate what the conference does to suit their own selfish motives. If Bama and Tennessee want to play their rivalry game every year, fine. Let them schedule it as a non-conference game that doesn't count against the conference standings. Will never happen, but maybe the argument should be thrown into the debate as a reality check that a few teams can't hijack the whole process.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45925 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:39 am to
quote:

Rabalais Nails it on SEC Scheduling
Let Alabama play Tennessee as a non-conference opponent on the years they are not rotated onto their SEC schedule.

The same for Auburn/Georgia.

Keep the divisions as is.


As Les Miles has advocated, if only your "In-Division' games count in conference division standings, then this solves everything. You get your "In-Division' games, then any other games against the other division are gravy. If Bama and TN want to preserve a game like Rice vs. Texas, or FL vs. Fla. State, then that can be at their scheduling discretion and the SEC HQ, knowing that in advance, can accomodate and facilitate that schedule by insuring each team has an open date in each team's schedule on the same weekend.

Les may be smarter than I give him credit for, after all.
Posted by RobDione
Pensacola Beach
Member since Nov 2007
733 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:43 am to
Just do away with the divisions altogether. Play 10 conference games and 3 non conference games. No conference championship, as the team with the best record wins conference.

Each team gets to play 10 of the remaining 13 teams, and total games still equals 13. Rotate teams each year, and no long wait for certain opponents
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 10:46 am
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
18005 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:45 am to
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Just do away with the divisions altogether. Play 10 conference games and 3 non conference games. No conference championship, as the team with the best record wins conference.
uh, NCAA schools can't just schedule as many games as they want. the regular season is capped at 12 games.
Posted by RobDione
Pensacola Beach
Member since Nov 2007
733 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:48 am to
then make it 9 and 3 or 10 and 2 .. whatever
Posted by IM4LSUTIGERS
Member since Dec 2006
974 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:49 am to
LSU91MBA has a good point.
Move the divisions geograhically (A&M and MIZ = West, AL & AU = East) and go to a 9 game schedule. So each team can have their permanent cross over game and two other SEC opposite div opponents.

I guess the AD's should consider the long term solution with the fact that two more teams (total 16) will get added at some point -- so is best to align geographically now and for the future.

Do I want to give up playing AL, FL, & AU -- no. We could get one as a permanent in a 9 game schedule and rotate the other two. If they are great teams and we don't play them in reg season -- we'll meet them in ATL.
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 10:54 am
Posted by Chill Pill
Between a Rock and a Hard Place
Member since May 2009
591 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:23 am to
Trading Ala and Auburn for Vandy and Missouri [and without permanent cross division games] is the dumbest idea ever. The East would become a mini NFL and the West as a whole would be looking up at his big brothers in the eastern division.

Four things are as certain as the sky is blue. Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, and Auburn will never, ever, ever, ever agree to eliminate their permanent rivalries if they stay in their current divisions. Aleva is smoking some wicked weed if he thinks he can convince those 4 teams to give up those games.

The most equitable thing to do is go to a 9 game SEC schedule with 1 permananent and 2 rotating cross division games. This will enable Alabama to still play Tenn and Ga to still play Auburn. Those are the SEC's most tradition rich cross division rivalries.

It's all about money [as if we didn't know that]. There's a thread on here somewhere that shows the most lucrative FB programs in the country. We're #4 -- about to be #3 when Penn State implodes. FB creates something like a $96M windall every year.

Home football games go a long way toward that. Each one must generate something on the order of about $5M in concessions alone -- maybe a lot more. Throw in parking passes and on campus merchandise sales, and I bet the number is more like $12-20M.

If you go to a 9 game SEC slate, the first problem is that half the SEC teams would have 5 home conference games and the other half would have 4. Yes it would flip the next year, but that still sounds inequitable.

The disparity gets even more magnified when you consider that the teams that get 5 home conference games could ultimately get 9 home games total. LSU only had 6 home games this year. Next year it's 8. With a possibility of 9, that's a boatload of cash that LSU doesn't have to share with anyone.

Now the prospect of 9 home conference games should mean that those teams do a better job of scheduling home and away's with other major BCS conference teams, and thus quality of scheduling should increase substantially league wide.

But some teams like scheduling those 4 patsies each year. They're [supposed to be] guaranteed wins. Reduce that to 3 [with a 9 game conf slate]? Reduce that maybe to 2 and go schedule Oklahoma, Texas, or Ohio State to a home and away?

The analysis is simple. If the conference sticks to its guns and says that it will never go beyond an 8 game slate, there's no way you can avoid having LSU not play S. Car except every 8 years [not 10 like Rabalais says]. Same is true for LSU-Vandy, LSU-Ga, etc.

Permanent rivalries are here to stay. The SEC will not unplug Ala-UT or Ga-Aub in order for LSU to be able to play S. Car sooner than every 8 years.

If the league goes to 9 games, then you're able to play those schools sooner.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59171 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:26 am to
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Permanent rivalries are here to stay. The SEC will not unplug Ala-UT or Ga-Aub in order for LSU to be able to play S. Car sooner than every 8 years.


There are 10 other teams in the SEC, there is no reason to bend over backwards for lets face it, 1 school.
Its not like those teams would never play again, just not every single year.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:26 am to
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I'm tired of listening to LSU fans bitch and complain about this. When the permanent "cross-division" opponent was established, Florida was historically the seventh (7th) best program in the SEC and was just beginning to become a national power. Who knew they would dominate the SEC throughout the 90's and for parts of the 2000's. Today it might seem "unfair" for LSU to play Florida every year because of what has become of the Tenn. and UGA programs (in comparison to Fla.), but Alabama's permanent opponent (UT) is the 2nd winningest program in SEC history. Auburn's permanent (UGA) is 4th.

The ebb and flow of program success is cyclical. UGA and UT will eventually be great again. UF will have some down years (might be starting right now). Personally, I like the LSU/UF game. As a long-time fan and season ticket holder, I would much rather see that matchup every year, rather than something like LSU/UK


Who gives a shite? The permanent opponent is an inequitable joke that should be banished.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
6970 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:42 am to
quote:

If the conference sticks to its guns and says that it will never go beyond an 8 game slate, there's no way you can avoid having LSU not play S. Car except every 8 years [not 10 like Rabalais says].


no, Rabalais has it right if the home and home matchups continue to occur in consecutive years. Example...if things were to continue as they are scheduled in 2012, we'd play SC in 12-13 and not see them again until 2024. Even if you split up the home/home, (ie play them in BR in 2012, Columbia in 2018) you'd still have the 11 season (12 calendar years) gap between home games with them (and all the others as well).

quote:

teams that get 5 home conference games could ultimately get 9 home games total


with 9 conference games and 5 at home, you'd only have 3 OOC games, so you could only have 8 home games max.
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 11:56 am
Posted by Chill Pill
Between a Rock and a Hard Place
Member since May 2009
591 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:57 am to
quote:

no, Rabalais has it right if the home and home matchups continue to occur in consecutive years. Example...if things were to continue as they are scheduled in 2012, we'd play SC in 12-13 and not see them again until 2024. Even if you split up the home/home, (ie play them in BR in 2012, Columbia in 2018) you'd still have the 11 season (12 calendar years) gap between home games with them.


No Rabalais and you are both wrong -- the reason being that you're forgetting that during the 2nd year of the home and away, you're already onto the next east opponent.

Here's how it works [other than S Car in 12-13, I don't don't know the schedule with the others, but it doesn't matter. Fla is not on here because they're our permanent opponent] --

S Car -- 2012 & 2013
Ga -- 2013 & 2014
Vandy -- 2014 & 2015
UK -- 2015 & 2016
Mizzou -- 2016 & 2017
Tenn -- 2017 & 2018
S Car -- 2018 & 2019

edited to add that if there's only 5 years between having to play S Car, then why is everyone complaining?

Also edited to concede that you are correct -- with a 9 game conference schedule, would only be a max of 8 home games.
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 12:02 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59171 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:01 pm to
That's still too long to go without playing teams that are in the same conference. Its a damn shame LSU never got to play P Manning once, let alone home and home. Its stupid BS meant to appease one school. OU-Nebraska was a much bigger rivalry than Bama-UT.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
6970 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

S Car -- 2012 & 2013
Ga -- 2013 & 2014
Vandy -- 2014 & 2015
UK -- 2015 & 2016
Mizzou -- 2016 & 2017
Tenn -- 2017 & 2018
S Car -- 2018 & 2019


are you talking an 8 or 9 game schedule? Your above scenario only works in a 9 game schedule. You've got us playing both SC and UGA in 2013. In an 8 game conference schedule, if UF is the permanent, then you can only play one other team from the East.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59171 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:04 pm to
Yep he's basing it off of 5 division games, not 6.

Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96060 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:08 pm to
Bama and Auburn to the east?? F that!
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
6970 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

LSU never got to play P Manning once, let alone home and home.


not to mention Bo and Herschel
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24151 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:17 pm to
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with 9 conference games and 5 at home, you'd only have 3 OOC games, so you could only have 8 home games max.


I do think they should go to a 9 game conference schedule. With as much hell as "we" give the Pac-12, they do it and were doing it when they were a 10 team league.

Also, I do think that could potentially cut back on the marquee out of conference match-ups what we have been seeing recently. Due to the desire to get as many home games as possible to make more money.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
6970 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

With as much hell as "we" give the Pac-12, they do it and were doing it when they were a 10 team league.


true and I think the Big 10 is going to it as well in a few years.

quote:

Also, I do think that could potentially cut back on the marquee out of conference match-ups what we have been seeing recently. Due to the desire to get as many home games as possible to make more money.


I agree...that is the biggest downside I see to it.
Posted by LSUFAN2
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2011
2438 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:36 pm to
I don't care who is where- just move the SEC office out of birmingham to Atlanta or Orlando.
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