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re: The way the voters should view the Alabama rematch situation
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:09 pm to Tiger Ugly
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:09 pm to Tiger Ugly
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Fairly...and what is fair? Lot's of interpretations for fairness...and yours is not the only one.
Would you not say that the only objective way to determine who is best between two teams is to play a football game, on a field, to determine it? Is that not the reason the games are played in the first place?
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:09 pm to texastigerr
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You shouldn't be playing for a National Championship if you already lost to the team you would be playing and you didn't even win your division.
When asked what the purpose of the BCS is earlier this year:
Commissioner Swofford: "The purpose is pretty simple, and that is to provide the #1 and #2 ranked teams the opportunity to play each other in a national championship game."
This is not an arguable point under the current system.
LSU & Alabama should be playing for the title based on this system.
I can't stand thinking that LSU could lose to a team they already beat & not be considered the champion, but that's not a reason that they shouldn't be playing each other for the title
When LSU & Alabama play on Jan. 9th, the BCS has accomplished its purpose.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:12 pm to LSU
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When LSU & Alabama play on Jan. 9th, the BCS has accomplished its purpose.
You and I just disagree on what its purpose is. I think its ultimate purpose is to decide which team is the best in college football.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:13 pm to LSU
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"The purpose is pretty simple, and that is to provide the #1 and #2 ranked teams the opportunity to play each other in a national championship game."
You do realize that "ranked" is not synonymous with "best" . . . which, in any event . . . is a subjective concept. That is what I think people are missing.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:13 pm to Neako27blitzz
Not sure why LSU's "reward" for winning the first game is an extra game, with extra chances for injuries, while the Gumps get an extra week to rest and prepare. If OSU wins, they should jump. Same for Va Tech.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:13 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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No we do not. You're interpretation is citing the means to the end as the ultimate end. Mine is not.
The object of the BCS is to decide which team is the best in college football and do it fairly. It does that by ranking teams, and the two best are to face off on the field (now wait for it...)
TO DECIDE WHO IS BEST
That's happened already between Alabama and LSU. Give someone else a chance.
So if I understand you correctly, if two teams met in the regular season, they shouldn't play each other in the BCSNCG?
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:14 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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You and I just disagree on what its purpose is. I think its ultimate purpose is to decide which team is the best in college football.
Its purpose is not an opinion that you can disagree with.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:15 pm to MStreetTiger
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So if I understand you correctly, if two teams met in the regular season, they shouldn't play each other in the BCSNCG?
Jesus Christ. Don't be so naive.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:15 pm to LSU
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I'd rather play anyone else in the country since LSU already beat Bama once, but under the current system, nobody but LSU & Alabama deserve to be in the title game.
I think we all might as well accept the fact that we will face Bama again...whether it is fair or not, it appears it will happen...
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:16 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Would you not say that the only objective way to determine who is best between two teams is to play a football game, on a field, to determine it? Is that not the reason the games are played in the first place?
Yes, and if it happens to be the team we beat Nov. 5 that's fair to me if that's what the system gives us.
The winner will be decided on the field then too. in a championship game.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:16 pm to Neako27blitzz
I'm kind of ambivilent on the whole rematch thing. On the one hand I think Bama is by far the most worthy opponent out there. If the BCS is really to match up the best two teams, than it should definitely be LSU/Bama.
On the other hand, since we've beat them already, it will be kind of anti climactic. If they would happen to win in a close one it would be hard to say they're better, especially if we beat Georgia in an extra game (SEC Championship Game) on the way there.
I think the BCS is just not set up for a situation where there is clearly one best team after the regular season - no more so than it is set up if there were say 3 really good undefeated teams or 3 really good 1 loss teams and no undefeated teams.
Bottom line for me is that I think the BCS has been pretty good to the Tigers so I ain't gonna complain either way. And whoever they set us up against I think LSU goes in and takes care of business.
On the other hand, since we've beat them already, it will be kind of anti climactic. If they would happen to win in a close one it would be hard to say they're better, especially if we beat Georgia in an extra game (SEC Championship Game) on the way there.
I think the BCS is just not set up for a situation where there is clearly one best team after the regular season - no more so than it is set up if there were say 3 really good undefeated teams or 3 really good 1 loss teams and no undefeated teams.
Bottom line for me is that I think the BCS has been pretty good to the Tigers so I ain't gonna complain either way. And whoever they set us up against I think LSU goes in and takes care of business.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:17 pm to LSU
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Its purpose is not an opinion that you can disagree with.
Just read their mission statement. I'll concede. I guess I just didn't realize that the reason we play these seasons of football is not to decide which football team is best. It's for the top two ranked teams to play each other.
While that seems like a tiny difference, I think its a travesty. I was a BCS supporter up until now.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:17 pm to Neako27blitzz
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Well there's a playoff in the NFL, if new orleans and the pack made it to NFC championship then clearly they deserved it. College is different, regular season games mean more especially late in the season. The whole problem here is not having a playoff system
Except for the game on Nov. 5th. It apparently meant nothing and the loser gets a bye.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:19 pm to Neako27blitzz
169 out of 170 voters have Bama at #2. There's not even enough voters in Big 12 country to keep Bama out IF they all decided to be homers.
Big 10 country (they KNOW the SEC is the best)
Pac 12 country (same as above, see Oregon)
ACC country (too soft and no1 cares, see Clemson)
Big East country (do i even need to point this out?)
Who is going to really take OSU that seriously? They voters have voted them 6th so far and Stanford 5th. Stanford won't lose. The season is done. You gotta convince voters to jump Stanford first. Why should they now? Not to mention VA Tech.
Big 10 country (they KNOW the SEC is the best)
Pac 12 country (same as above, see Oregon)
ACC country (too soft and no1 cares, see Clemson)
Big East country (do i even need to point this out?)
Who is going to really take OSU that seriously? They voters have voted them 6th so far and Stanford 5th. Stanford won't lose. The season is done. You gotta convince voters to jump Stanford first. Why should they now? Not to mention VA Tech.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:19 pm to Tiger Ugly
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Yes, and if it happens to be the team we beat Nov. 5 that's fair to me if that's what the system gives us.
Since we're shackled to a system that doesn't seek out the best team I guess you're right.
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The winner will be decided on the field then too. in a championship game.
So what was the reason in playing them in the regular season? A scrimmage? A warmup? I thought it was to determine what team out of the two is the best.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:20 pm to RockChalkTiger
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Not sure why LSU's "reward" for winning the first game is an extra game, with extra chances for injuries, while the Gumps get an extra week to rest and prepare. If OSU wins, they should jump. Same for Va Tech.
Well said.
We beat them already! That means nothing?
Bama not only didn't win their conference, they didn't even win their division of that conference.
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:20 pm to LSU
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he purpose of the voters & BCS is to match the 2 best teams in college football: LSU vs. Alabama
If LSU wins are they not still the best two teams? If Bama wins are they not still the best two teams? Are they just destined to play each other till the end of time?
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:22 pm to MStreetTiger
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So if I understand you correctly, if two teams met in the regular season, they shouldn't play each other in the BCSNCG?
He's right. At least with 2 teams from the same conference. tOSU and Michigan were #1 and #2 in the regular season when they played each other in the last game of the season.
There was no rematch a month later in the BCS NG. The voters took another team that was doing great (Florida) and put them in the BCS NG.
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:22 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Don't be so naive.
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That's happened already between Alabama and LSU.
So not necessarily if they played in the regular season, but in the case of LSU v Alabama, yes, because they already played in the regular season (as you stated).
Under what circumstances would this apply? If they played late in the season? If one of the teams is LSU?
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:23 pm to Neako27blitzz
The point of the BCS is to put the 2 best teams in the title game.
The voters should vote who they think are the 2 best teams, regardless of conference or if they played earlier in the year.
FWIW we are LSU we are 12-0 we should welcome the opportunity to play the 2nd best as we are the best.
Plus we get to beat up the arrogant entitled Bama fan and Little Nicky 3 times in 14 months!
What is better than that?
The voters should vote who they think are the 2 best teams, regardless of conference or if they played earlier in the year.
FWIW we are LSU we are 12-0 we should welcome the opportunity to play the 2nd best as we are the best.
Plus we get to beat up the arrogant entitled Bama fan and Little Nicky 3 times in 14 months!
What is better than that?
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