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re: Astros sale to include $70M for move to American League
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:04 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:04 am to H-Town Tiger
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yes there is, the Astros will be in the fricking AL. It would be like LSU moving to the Big 12.
So basically, your only issue is that they're moving to the AL. That's it. Nothing else?
I'm not understanding the anger. Other than you not wanting to see something change, there's no reason to throw a fit over what's going on.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:06 am to jameison125
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They essentially are. Crane is getting a deal to move. Less money spent = more money.
Yeah, apparently I'm completely dense because this thread is the biggest overreaction since ________.
This post was edited on 11/16/11 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:07 am to H-Town Tiger
Agreed. Why weren't the Dbacks AL in the first place? Why did the Brewers ever switch?
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:13 am to Prominentwon
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your only issue is that they're moving to the AL.
That's the only issue. They are moving the team to a different league, forget 50 years of being in the NL, lets force this team to move because they are for sale and we changed our minds about playing interleague games every day.
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I'm not understanding the anger. Other than you not wanting to see something change, there's no reason to throw a fit over what's going on.
Lets move LSU to the Big 12, no big deal its just fear of change right?
The AL sucks, the DH sucks.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:23 am to Prominentwon
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apparently I'm completely dense because this thread is the biggest overreaction since
the dense comment was in reference to some one saying he thought they get more to move, which i take to means the sale price would go up to move to the AL. If the AL was such a desirable destination, they teams would be lining up, but no one wants to move. They are just strong arming Crane, making it a condition of him buying the team which is BS.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:25 am to jameison125
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Why did the Brewers ever switch?
because they at first they didn't want to play inter league games every day, so they couldn't have an odd number of teams in each league, though why they had to put Tampa in the AL idk.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:02 am to H-Town Tiger
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Or how about the D-backs? Is that long 13 year history of being in the NL too much for them?
Not to mention they are also close the the fricking AL West
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:51 am to tylercsbn9
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Not to mention they are also close the the fricking AL West
The Rangers are int he AL West too. You gotta think the Rangers are ecstatic, considering this will mean potentially 1 less West coast road trip.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 11:49 am to TxHillsTiger
As a Cubs fan in Houston, this makes me sad.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 12:12 pm to TheChosenOne
it is a shame. Not seeing astros-cub/ cards every year is really going to suck
Posted on 11/16/11 at 1:30 pm to Dire Wolf
Some people are so stuck on history it is crazy. What good is a rival if we just get hammered every year? I think it will be refreshing to the organization to "start over" per say in a new league. only negative I see are game times.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:27 pm to LSUIEGRAD13
Screw the AL
Screw the DH
Screw Bud Selig
Screw the Brewers
This whole thing is bullshite and I'm now in the market for a new favorite NL team. FML
Screw the DH
Screw Bud Selig
Screw the Brewers
This whole thing is bullshite and I'm now in the market for a new favorite NL team. FML
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:28 pm to Atari
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Screw the AL
Screw the DH
Screw Bud Selig
Screw the Brewers
This whole thing is bullshite
:kige:
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:34 pm to Atari
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This whole thing is bullshite and I'm now in the market for a new favorite NL team. FML
Choose the Cubs...you'll fit right in.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:41 pm to DEANintheYAY
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Choose the Cubs...you'll fit right in
The thought has crossed my mind. I lived in Glencoe (Chicago suburb) for 3 years after I got out of the Army, and I have a sister who lives in Chicago now. So there are at least some ties to the area...but I've hated the Cubs for years. I suppose at least I could keep my Cardinals hate intact.
This post was edited on 11/16/11 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 11/16/11 at 8:28 pm to Atari
Selig is such a fricking sleazeball. He held up the sale last summer because he needed to look into Jim Crane more closely. Granted, there is a hell of a lot to look at. His company, Eagle USA Airfreight, has been found guilty of racism, sexism, and profiteering from the Iraq war. Selig couldn't care less about racism, sexism, or war profiteering, and he never did. The delays were to push the sale up to the November 30 deadline so he could blackmail Crane into moving the team.
Oh, and here is a long piece that Forbes Magazine did on Jim Crane back in June. It's an interesting read to say the least.
Why Jim Crane Could Become Baseball's Most Controversial Owner
Here is some stuff on his EEOC troubles from page 2:
And here is some stuff on the war profiteering from page 3
frick YOU BUD SELIG!
Oh, and here is a long piece that Forbes Magazine did on Jim Crane back in June. It's an interesting read to say the least.
Why Jim Crane Could Become Baseball's Most Controversial Owner
Here is some stuff on his EEOC troubles from page 2:
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In 1997, complaints were filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission regarding Crane’s Eagle USA Airfreight and its position on hiring blacks and women of child-bearing age. The EEOC issued a scathing 104 page report (most EEOC reports are said to run 3-5 pages), found that to be true, and added that Crane’s company conducted a practice of paying “female and minority employees less than white men who do similar work; did not investigate employee complaints of sexual harassment; and destroyed evidence that the company was instructed to retain as part of the two-year EEOC investigation,” according to a Houston Chronicle article from 2000.
In the Chronicle report:
Crane told his subordinates not to hire blacks because “once you hire blacks, you can never fire them.” On other occasions, Crane explained the reason he wanted to keep blacks out of the company was that his top managers are bigoted and they would mistreat the minorities, “giving them no choice but to sue Eagle.”
Witnesses also said Crane did not permit the company to advertise job openings because he did not want to create a paper trail of unhired qualified minorities.
To discourage blacks and women from applying, Eagle managers refused to let female and minority applicants enter its secured facilities to fill out job applications. Eagle disagreed with that assessment.
Crane also warned managers not to hire women of child-bearing age because their productivity would be low. And top company officers told employees that women aren’t suitable for management positions because male managers won’t work with a woman.
And here is some stuff on the war profiteering from page 3
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A further matter that will sure to raise eyebrows, Crane’s Eagle Global Logistics has settled war profiteering charges with the Justice Department. All told, EGL was sued four times by the Department of Justice.
In August 2006, Eagle paid $4 million to settle a civil lawsuit brought by the Department of Justice alleging that the company had inflated the costs of military shipments to Iraq. The company had allegedly added $0.50 for each kilogram of freight transported to Baghdad, war risk surcharges, on shipments from Dubai to Iraq from November 2003 to July 2004.
In June 2007, Eagle paid $300,000 to settle allegations of overcharging the government. Many details of the allegations are not available as civil records for the case prior to 2010 are sealed.
In November 2008, Eagle paid $750,000 to settle allegations of providing kickbacks in order to procure contracts. Many details of the allegations are not available as civil records for the case prior to 2010 are sealed.
The company was accused of conspiring with other shipping companies to price fix and overcharge the U.S. and British governments in the war effort. The Department of Justice ultimately agreed to stop pursuing the criminal charges against Eagle when Eagle fired its employees involved in the scheme, paid a $4,486,120.00 fine and agreed to cooperate in the government’s investigation. However, Chris Cahill, Eagle’s former regional VP in the Middle East and India, was jailed for 30 months beginning in August 2006, issued 2 years supervised release and a $10,000 fine (read the conviction).
In fairness to Crane, when you have a management team, likely in the thousands, you can’t mind every aspect of your business. However, the repeated nature of the war profiteering, and continued settlements – on top of the discrimination issue – bring a look to MLB’s ownership make-up not seen prior.
frick YOU BUD SELIG!
Posted on 11/16/11 at 8:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The Astros have been in the NL for 50 years and are getting fricked over, just because they are for sale. If its "no big deal" why don't they move the fricking Brewers who were an AL (that American League for those who some how couldn't figure that out in a baseball discusssion) for their first 25 years or so. Or how about the D-backs? Is that long 13 year history of being in the NL too much for them? frick if its no big deal, why are they giving Crane $70M. Oh and this means inter league play every day, which I don't like anyway.
Move the Nationals. They have literally no tradition of any kind and Washington is a longtime American League city.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 8:51 pm to Jester
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The Astros have been a serious contender one time in their entire existence, brah.
Exactly, it's not like they have been tearing up the National League, who cares if they move? Hell, more chances to see the Yanks & Red Sox play in Houston...
Posted on 11/16/11 at 8:55 pm to Bestbank Tiger
The Big Puma calls the potential move to the American League ‘a travesty’. I'm a long time A&M baseball season ticket holder, so I've followed Lance since he was at Rice.
Berkman calls Astros potential move to the American League ‘a travesty’
The Toy Cannon is speaking out too. He played before my time.
Former Astros players bothered by impending move to American League
Caving in on this would not be a good business decision, Crane!
Berkman calls Astros potential move to the American League ‘a travesty’
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“I think it’s a travesty,” Berkman said of the potential Astros move during a press conference announcing his exclusive autograph deal with Houston-based memorabilia powerhouse TriStar. “It’s a National League franchise. I think if they were going to do something like that, Milwaukee’s the choice to go back to the American League; they’re historically an American League franchise.
“It’s a shame, I think, that Bud Selig is probably going to make that be sort of a condition of the sale. I don’t like it. Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don’t want to go watch American League baseball. I’d like to have a National League team.”
The Toy Cannon is speaking out too. He played before my time.
Former Astros players bothered by impending move to American League
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“The team that should be in the American League is Milwaukee,” said former All-Star outfielder Jim Wynn, who played for the Astros from 1963-1973. “Milwaukee came from the American League. The National League team is the Houston Astros. If they move to the American League, the fan base is going to get really mad.”
An informal Chronicle online poll last month showed 76 percent of the respondents opposing a league change, with 35 percent vowing to sever their allegiance if the Astros were to join the AL. Like Wynn, many fans wonder why NL Central rival Milwaukee, which was in the AL from 1970-1997, isn’t changing leagues. Selig used to own the Brewers and still lives in Milwaukee — two facts that don’t sit well with many Astros loyalists.
Caving in on this would not be a good business decision, Crane!
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:03 pm to Atari
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This whole thing is bullshite and I'm now in the market for a new favorite NL team. FML
Yeah, me and a ton of my friends all grew up big Astros fans, and a good bit of them have been cheering for the Rangers the last few years too. Personally I started rooting for the Rays a few years back, because I hate everyone being a Red Sox or Yankees fan, and I've actually became a pretty big fan, I've probably watched more Rays games then Astros the last few years for the simple fact of them being competitive. shite I don't even know if I can root for them anymore after the Stros make the switch.
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