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re: Miles' handling of J. Jefferson and playing time
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:07 pm to DBG
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:07 pm to DBG
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Against a very bad, completely outmatched and outclassed team in Kentucky
You believe those guys won't hit you? Especially early in the game? Especually in a pile? Where did you play? What position?
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It was cute though for les to take the TD away from lee, or one of the WRs, or one of the RBs to announce to the world that JJ IS BACK BABY!!!!
Maybe Les was just trying to get a score.
But you raise an interesting point. Do you believe that when one player, no matter who it may be, scores that other members of the team resent it and think that the coach took a TD away from them?
For example if Ware scores, do the WR's feel that they were cheated that the ball wasn't thrown to them?
Does the FB resent it that he had to block and not get the carry?
Is it your postion that players are selfish and have hard feelings when anybody else scores?
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I honestly did chuckle
I don't think you are being honest with us.
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:11 pm to Gray Tiger
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You believe those guys won't hit you?
sure they will. and they will either likely have bad form or just not hit hard enough. because, you know, they are very bad player
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Maybe Les was just trying to get a score.
sure, and throw jefferson an undeserved bone.
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But you raise an interesting point. Do you believe that when one player, no matter who it may be, scores that other members of the team resent it and think that the coach took a TD away from them?
probably not, but it doesnt change the fact that that is what happened. it's called touchdown vulturing in the world of nfl fantasy football
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I don't think you are being honest with us.
i am. i chuckled, shook my head a little, then clapped and attended the burgers on the grill
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:13 pm to Gray Tiger
I think in the "macro" sense, Miles has handled the situation very, very well. In the "micro" sense, i.e., sending Jefferson in on 4th down, well reasonable minds can disagree. But I think Miles DID think about it and decided to a) get the moment over with, b) give us a better chance to score and c)send a message to the team and the fans that Jefferson is going to be an integral part of this team.
Jeezus, we're undefeated and at the top of the polls. Just enjoy it, for Chrissake.
Jeezus, we're undefeated and at the top of the polls. Just enjoy it, for Chrissake.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:15 pm to DBG
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fantasy football
Ok.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:28 pm to VOR
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Jeezus, we're undefeated and at the top of the polls. Just enjoy it, for Chrissake.
Well said!
and 
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:42 pm to Gray Tiger
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Sorry but you are wrong. A lot of thought went into it. The staff decided that Jefferson, the better and stronger runner would have a greater chance of scoring. Remember a runing QB changes the keys of the defense and makes a mistake more possible. Advantage LSU.
Sorry, but it just ain't your place to say I'm wrong. You don't have to agree, but your point is kind of lame. A "running" quarterback?? Are you serious?? It was a 1 yard dive behind the center/guard. You could have put T-Bob back there and he would have scored. I'm not sure of the exact % of success on a one yard qb dive, but I would imagine its pretty high. You can make every point about picking a time to have JJ play Saturday, but this play wasn't it. Sorry.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:08 pm to ianfson1
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You don't have to agree,
I don't agree.
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Sorry, but it just ain't your place to say I'm wrong.
It is because your assessment is wrong.
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Are you serious?? It was a 1 yard dive behind the center/guard. You could have put T-Bob back there and he would have scored. I'm not sure of the exact % of success on a one yard qb dive, but I would imagine its pretty high.
Just a partial list of things that can go wrong:
1. Mis-handled snap because the center hits the wrong spot on the snap.
2. Mis-handled snap because the QB has his hands wrong.
3. Mis-handled snap because the cadence is different
4. Mis-handled snap because the reciever pulls out too soon.
5. Mis-handled snap because the reciever stays too long under the center.
6. Center is driven back stepping on the reciever.
7. Either of the guards steps the wrong way stepping on the reciever's foot.
8. QB doesn't understand the blocking scheme and steps the wrong way.
9. QB reads the blocking wrong.
10. Set backs come in too soon and block the hole.
11. QB is too slow and allows the defense to close the gap.
That's just 11 things, but that should suffice to explain why your position is wrong. These plays are practiced and not just anybody can come in and run them well.
Saying that any person who hasn't practiced that play with that specific center can do it well isn't true. I don't know where you played or what position or when but I am reasonably certain that it wasn't either center or QB.
I understand that you have an agenda, but please don't invent things to suit it. The sneak isn't a guaranteed success. It takes some skill to run it properly.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 7:03 am to Revelator
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this is where I am supposed to curse you out, denegrate you intelligence or your sexual preferences, or insult you. I don't beleive in that.
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but what it really did was force every fan, idiot or not
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You are sort of right about how I feel about the rant, but one thing that I don't think I have ever done is curse somebody out with something like a STFU. It is interesting to read things on this rant from people who obviously know more about football than I get dragged through the mud by people who know obviously LESS football than I. The part of my post, "idiot or not," probably could have been left unsaid. I regret that. That last sentence is something you rarely see on this rant, someone admitting to an error in judgment.
What this post showed to me as I read through the responses was that people are passionate about the team. Something else that always comes through is that there a bunch of guys on here who always know more than the coach. To me this action that Miles took was less about football and more about group dynamics. From a football point of view, JJ wasn't needed at all. Kentucky wasn't really a threat. Lee had things in hand, even considering the dropped passes. Mettenberger could have come in and mopped up while getting more experience, and from watching him from the south endzone against NW, he is the real deal and seemingly a very cool customer. I stand by what I said (like it matters anyway) about inserting JJ in the game. When it came, it was unexpected. When he scored, JJ heard cheers. When he got booed, the team came to his defense. The team is now a team without the "Sword of Damocles" question about when will he play? How will the fans react to that? What is Lee going to think when JJ gets in? Why isn't playing, he is a member of the team? The tension is removed. Supposedly, Lee was cheering for him when he scored.
I will leave the coaching to Miles, and like everybody here, I will criticize when I feel the need to. That isn't very often, however. ONe thing I do like is this. After watching Alabama play Florida, there are two things that are glaring. First, AL is piece of work on both sides of the ball. SEcond, what happened to Brantley proves that it isn't a foregone conclusion that your number one QB will emerge unscathed from ANY play. I know I wouldn't want to be a freshman QB coming into LSU's valley facing Montgomery, et al. It doesn't hurt us to have another QB in the wings who plays from a totally different dimension. And I think I am beginning to see the vast improvement in QB play from last year to now. Kragthorpe's influence and tutelage certainly seem to have gotten to Lee. It will be interesting to see JJ play and how he has progressed.
Have good day, Tiger fans, and like you, I can't wait to play Florida.
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this is where I am supposed to curse you out, denegrate you intelligence or your sexual preferences, or insult you. I don't beleive in that.
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but what it really did was force every fan, idiot or not
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I think you do!
You are sort of right about how I feel about the rant, but one thing that I don't think I have ever done is curse somebody out with something like a STFU. It is interesting to read things on this rant from people who obviously know more about football than I get dragged through the mud by people who know obviously LESS football than I. The part of my post, "idiot or not," probably could have been left unsaid. I regret that. That last sentence is something you rarely see on this rant, someone admitting to an error in judgment.
What this post showed to me as I read through the responses was that people are passionate about the team. Something else that always comes through is that there a bunch of guys on here who always know more than the coach. To me this action that Miles took was less about football and more about group dynamics. From a football point of view, JJ wasn't needed at all. Kentucky wasn't really a threat. Lee had things in hand, even considering the dropped passes. Mettenberger could have come in and mopped up while getting more experience, and from watching him from the south endzone against NW, he is the real deal and seemingly a very cool customer. I stand by what I said (like it matters anyway) about inserting JJ in the game. When it came, it was unexpected. When he scored, JJ heard cheers. When he got booed, the team came to his defense. The team is now a team without the "Sword of Damocles" question about when will he play? How will the fans react to that? What is Lee going to think when JJ gets in? Why isn't playing, he is a member of the team? The tension is removed. Supposedly, Lee was cheering for him when he scored.
I will leave the coaching to Miles, and like everybody here, I will criticize when I feel the need to. That isn't very often, however. ONe thing I do like is this. After watching Alabama play Florida, there are two things that are glaring. First, AL is piece of work on both sides of the ball. SEcond, what happened to Brantley proves that it isn't a foregone conclusion that your number one QB will emerge unscathed from ANY play. I know I wouldn't want to be a freshman QB coming into LSU's valley facing Montgomery, et al. It doesn't hurt us to have another QB in the wings who plays from a totally different dimension. And I think I am beginning to see the vast improvement in QB play from last year to now. Kragthorpe's influence and tutelage certainly seem to have gotten to Lee. It will be interesting to see JJ play and how he has progressed.
Have good day, Tiger fans, and like you, I can't wait to play Florida.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 7:07 am to Gray Tiger
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1. Mis-handled snap because the center hits the wrong spot on the snap.
2. Mis-handled snap because the QB has his hands wrong.
3. Mis-handled snap because the cadence is different
4. Mis-handled snap because the reciever pulls out too soon.
5. Mis-handled snap because the reciever stays too long under the center.
6. Center is driven back stepping on the reciever.
7. Either of the guards steps the wrong way stepping on the reciever's foot.
8. QB doesn't understand the blocking scheme and steps the wrong way.
9. QB reads the blocking wrong.
10. Set backs come in too soon and block the hole.
11. QB is too slow and allows the defense to close the gap.
Fair analysis. And how many of these 11 would be adversely affected by inserting a QB for the first time this season, that hadn't practiced in 6 weeks? Serious question.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 7:20 am to jcb236
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Miles' handling of J. Jefferson and playing time
Brilliant
Posted on 10/3/11 at 7:26 am to jcb236
I posted something about voting for or against a suspension on JJ when everything was still up in the air. There was a guy on the rant that wanted to come up and kick my arse.
Let me tell you. JJ is welcome on the team IMO. He is where he is now because of a poor choice to skip cerfew and for the actions that occured because he was skipping cerfew. He has paid his debt and is still paying for it. He is the 2nd string quarterback only because of his poor decision to skip cerfew.
I believe JJ has deserved what he has gotten because of the fact that he was supposed to be a leader of the team and set the example as a leader. However, you will never find me booing the team or the coaches.
JL, on the other hand, also deserves to be where he is on the team. He is currently running a pass rate of better than 60%. If the catches that were catchable had been made, he would probably be greater than 80%.
In my opinion:
Thank you Les Miles.
Keep up the great work Defense.
Great job JL.
Welcome back JJ.
Looking forward to seeing you start next year Mett.
Keep it coming Honey Badger.
Give up your season tickets all of you booers.
Let me tell you. JJ is welcome on the team IMO. He is where he is now because of a poor choice to skip cerfew and for the actions that occured because he was skipping cerfew. He has paid his debt and is still paying for it. He is the 2nd string quarterback only because of his poor decision to skip cerfew.
I believe JJ has deserved what he has gotten because of the fact that he was supposed to be a leader of the team and set the example as a leader. However, you will never find me booing the team or the coaches.
JL, on the other hand, also deserves to be where he is on the team. He is currently running a pass rate of better than 60%. If the catches that were catchable had been made, he would probably be greater than 80%.
In my opinion:
Thank you Les Miles.
Keep up the great work Defense.
Great job JL.
Welcome back JJ.
Looking forward to seeing you start next year Mett.
Keep it coming Honey Badger.
Give up your season tickets all of you booers.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 7:34 am to jcb236
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jcb236
This is a new insight that I have neither heard nor thought about before. I like this a lot and the points made in your post are "spot on".
Thanks for posting and thanks for helping me see the light.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 7:54 am to ianfson1
quote:Jarret Lee, Coach Miles and the rest of the LSU Tigers say you are wrong.
Sorry, but it just ain't your place to say I'm wrong.
GTFO.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 7:56 am to jcb236
quote:Exactly. My limited conventional wisdom would not have had the slightest idea what to do with a returned JJ. CLM made the move back in a positive one. I like that he also played Mett at the end, even for just the victory formation possession; it was good to see all three QBs playing. But JL is the starter and should be playing the bulk of the game each week. He's earned it. So hear this receivers - CATCH, and hold on!
The more I watch Les Miles, the more I am beginning to think that he is crazy as a fox and a more masterful student of human behavior than I previously suspected. I can see why kids want to play for him. Hell, I want to play for him and I am 63 years old.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 7:57 am to JawjaTigah
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So hear this receivers - CATCH, and hold on!
Amen..........
Posted on 10/3/11 at 8:07 am to DBG
at the people still pissed that Miles put in JJ and scoredPosted on 10/3/11 at 8:16 am to Choctaw
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at the people still pissed that Miles put in JJ and scored
Posted on 10/3/11 at 8:18 am to jcb236
Well said! I agree with everything you said in the original post and the follow-up.
The season is almost half over and we should be reveling in this team and its coaches!
The season is almost half over and we should be reveling in this team and its coaches!
Posted on 10/3/11 at 8:19 am to Choctaw
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people still pissed that Miles put in JJ and scored
but but.....he took away a td from JL
Posted on 10/3/11 at 8:21 am to jcb236
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MY OPINION ONLY, but I think Miles handled JJ's insertion back into the team masterfully
its the opinion of many, including my own.
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