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Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:54 am
Posted by vatek
Culpeper, VA
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Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:54 am
what's everybody's take on this game? clemson is red hot right now. will saturday night in blacksburg be an equalizer? Tech hasn't looked super impressive in our first 4 games, but were clemson's wins over auburn and FSU as impressive as they're being made out to be?
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:55 am to
clemson is due to shite the bed. i cant think of a more obvious place than blacksburg.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:57 am to
clemson is going to clemson a game or two sooner or later and this seems like a superb opportunity.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:00 pm to
I'm with the people saying that Clemson's nice run is due to end, for no real reason other than the fact that they are Clemson.
Posted by Duckman13
Tiger Stadium
Member since Dec 2006
3060 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:03 pm to
ACC is so down this year though, not that they are ever "up" though. FSU was severely overratted this year.
Posted by vatek
Culpeper, VA
Member since Jul 2007
1828 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:05 pm to
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FSU was severely overratted this year.


this is looking like its the case
Posted by LSUbase13
Mt. Pleasant, SC
Member since Mar 2008
15060 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:09 pm to
At the end of the day, Clemson is still Clemson. They'll choke it away.

Virginia Tech - 31
Clemson - 17
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
26182 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:10 pm to
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FSU was severely overratted this year.


Severely? They lost to the #1 team in the country by a TD after their starting QB got hurt and they were again without Manuel at Clemson. How would have OU fared without Landry?
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:26 pm to
Va Tech wins this one.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162072 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:34 pm to
I don't think VT has the offense to expose clemson's crappy D. VT's D will need to play lights out.
Posted by paperstreet
Member since Feb 2011
7434 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:54 pm to
Boyd passes for 250+, and Watkins goes over 100 again.

Clemson wins 31-24.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 1:34 pm to
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At the end of the day, Clemson is still Clemson. They'll choke it away.

Virginia Tech - 31
Clemson - 17


Lol, some of yal just haven’t been paying attention to what’s been going on in Clemson. An entire new offensive coaching staff has really turned this program around. I said it preseason, and I’ll reiterate it again now, Chad Morris is the next Gus Malzahn if not better. This dude is a beast who exudes confidence and toughness in everything he does. He’s basically told Dabo to GTFO of any gameplanning and so all Dabo does is sell the program to recruits and motivate. No longer is he meddling in the playbook, and it’s become evident on the scoreboard.

I know there’s a difference between playing at home and playing on the road, but look at the difference between Oklahoma’s offense against Florida State’s defense and Clemson’s offense. That secondary that bottled-up Landry Jones, Ryan Broyles, and Kenny Stiles was freaking toasted all game long by Clemson. Their quarterback is at a 13-1 TD-INT ratio for the season, and they have the best freshman in the country. If Virginia Tech holds them to 17 points they deserve a medal.

I know it’s still Clemson, and they are playing on the road at night in Lane Stadium, but don’t expect this team to have the annual WTF game that Clemson always has. They’re too damn talented and their coaching staff (outside of Dabo) is one of the best in the country.
Posted by paperstreet
Member since Feb 2011
7434 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 1:39 pm to
The only part I'm concerned about with Clemson is, this is going to be Boyd's first true road test as a starting QB... and it's one of the toughest places to play in the country.

I hope he handles it well.
Posted by Roscoe
Member since Sep 2007
3071 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 1:51 pm to
I think Clemson is a legit top 25 team this year, regardless as to whether they are still Clemson or play in the ACC. That being said, just b/c I think they are top 25 doesn't mean I don't think they will not lose games along the way. By seasons end, most teams usually ranked between 17-25 have 3-4 losses...and I fully expect Clemson to be there by seasons end.

At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can dispute that Dabo has had great recruiting classes in recent years on the offensive side of the ball. They also had 4 of 5 OL returning this year. Their RB, Ellington, was very productive last year and he, along with their TE, they were both former ESPN top 100 national HS recruits. Boyd, although in his first year as a starter, played in the US Army All American game. And they signed the top @R class in the nation last year with 3 of the top 5 WR in the country last year...and I don't think anyone can dispute that they hit on Sammy Watkins.

Clemson has had lots of talent before...and either the talent didn't pan out or they had coaching issues. However, this year looks a little different. Now, with all this highly rated talent, Dabo finally does something right and Clemson finally goes out and gets one of the top offensive guru's in the country, the guy pegged to be the next Guy Malzahn - Chad Morris. Seeing what they have done to Auburn and FSU, its pretty clear that their offense is legit.

Now, having said that, even some of the best offenses in the country eventually meet their match or superior talent/schemes. I.e., Oregon ran into LSU earlier this year. I think Bud Foster will have some cooked up to slow down the Clemson offense this week.

In addition to slowing down the Clemson offense, I think VTech's power running game will also work in VTech's favor in keeping Clemson's O off the field. Clemson's front 7 struggled against Wofford's running game. Since then, they really haven't been tested up front (Auburn got away from the running game too early and FSU's running game is just non-existent this year). I think this week they will be tested and that VT will gain substantial yardage on Clemson's D and, at the same time, the ball control will also work to keep Clemson's O off the field and in check.

Additionally, I saw Clemson almost have 2 punts blocked this weekend and their punter may be injured after FSU ran into the guy. Combine that along with Clemson having FG kicking issues, and VT propensity to win games on special teams alone and Clemson's propensity to implode in big games, the advantage in special teams is clearly in VTech's favor.

VT has had Clemson's # since joining the ACC, and I believe have dominated Clemson in Blackburg with double digit wins every time they have played at VT. Vegas has set the line at 7 in favor of VT and while I expect the line to go down to 4.5 - 5.5, that's still a good bit of points in favor of VT and I just don't see them losing at home against Clemson this week.

Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8922 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 1:54 pm to
Its going to be close. Lane Stadium isn't the best place for your fiest serious road game, but that offense has too many weapons to be totally shut down. It won't be pretty but Clemson should eek out the win, I'm thinking 24-17ish.

What time is kickoff set for?
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 2:07 pm to
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The only part I'm concerned about with Clemson is, this is going to be Boyd's first true road test as a starting QB... and it's one of the toughest places to play in the country.

I hope he handles it well.


Completely agree. It’s really the only question mark I have for this season. If Boyd plays even close to the level he’s been playing at home then Clemson wins, period. However, making your first road start at night in Lane Stadium is awful tough. He does seem like the kind of guy, though, who has the grit needed to win on the road. We shall see though. We’ll learn a ton about both of these teams after this game.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 2:07 pm to
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I think Clemson is a legit top 25 team this year, regardless as to whether they are still Clemson or play in the ACC. That being said, just b/c I think they are top 25 doesn't mean I don't think they will not lose games along the way. By seasons end, most teams usually ranked between 17-25 have 3-4 losses...and I fully expect Clemson to be there by seasons end.


Agree here. I have no problem with anyone saying Clemson loses this game but saying it'll be 31-17 or something like that is laughable.

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At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can dispute that Dabo has had great recruiting classes in recent years on the offensive side of the ball. They also had 4 of 5 OL returning this year. Their RB, Ellington, was very productive last year and he, along with their TE, they were both former ESPN top 100 national HS recruits. Boyd, although in his first year as a starter, played in the US Army All American game. And they signed the top WR class in the nation last year with 3 of the top 5 WR in the country last year...and I don't think anyone can dispute that they hit on Sammy Watkins.


Yea there are an absurd amount of skill players on offense, and Boyd is showing why he was a five star.

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Clemson has had lots of talent before...and either the talent didn't pan out or they had coaching issues. However, this year looks a little different. Now, with all this highly rated talent, Dabo finally does something right and Clemson finally goes out and gets one of the top offensive guru's in the country, the guy pegged to be the next Guy Malzahn - Chad Morris. Seeing what they have done to Auburn and FSU, its pretty clear that their offense is legit.


Glad someone has been paying attention, Morris is scary good.

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Now, having said that, even some of the best offenses in the country eventually meet their match or superior talent/schemes. I.e., Oregon ran into LSU earlier this year. I think Bud Foster will have some cooked up to slow down the Clemson offense this week.


We’ll see. Tech’s interior defensive line is pretty mediocre, and I think Clemson will actually be able to get a power push for the first time this season. Clemson has put up solid rushing totals so far this season, but it’s been primarily due to off-tackle/sweep runs or runs late in the game after they’ve been ahead. If they can actually get a power running game up the middle then look the hell out cause this has been a primarily pass-first offense. If they can force the corners and safeties to contribute in defending the run, then Watkins, Bryant and Hopkins will absolutely run wild. They’ll definitely play Clemson extremely tough, but I don’t see how anyone stops that offense.

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In addition to slowing down the Clemson offense, I think VTech's power running game will also work in VTech's favor in keeping Clemson's O off the field. Clemson's front 7 struggled against Wofford's running game. Since then, they really haven't been tested up front (Auburn got away from the running game too early and FSU's running game is just non-existent this year). I think this week they will be tested and that VT will gain substantial yardage on Clemson's D and, at the same time, the ball control will also work to keep Clemson's O off the field and in check.


Agree that Tech will try to run the ball and keep Clemson off the field, but I don’t think Wofford or Auburn are good examples. Wofford’s triple option is tough to stop no matter who you are, and Tech has no one on Dyer’s level. I actually expect to see Tech try and get David Wilson involved quite a bit in the passing game. Clemson’s linebackers are average athletically at best and Wilson is incredibly explosive out of the backfield as a receiver. He’s the X-factor for their offense. I see him having about 150 total yards in this game, about 90 rushing and 60 receiving.

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Additionally, I saw Clemson almost have 2 punts blocked this weekend and their punter may be injured after FSU ran into the guy. Combine that along with Clemson having FG kicking issues, and VT propensity to win games on special teams alone and Clemson's propensity to implode in big games, the advantage in special teams is clearly in VTech's favor.


Absolutely could be a huge factor. Clemson’s punt pro was freaking terrible Saturday. Their personal protectors were awful. Every special teams player knows you block inside-out but they were taking the widest guys and letting Joyner duck underneath and take a free run at the punter. No clue how he didn’t block that one play, did the ball go through him?!?!

This will be an awesome game. Right now I’m expecting Tech to win by about 3, but it could go either way, and I’ll put something more permanent on paper later in the season. I think Tech is overrated and Clemson is probably better than them but on the road at night in Blacksburg is just not where I want a quarterback making his first ever road start.
This post was edited on 9/26/11 at 2:20 pm
Posted by vatek
Culpeper, VA
Member since Jul 2007
1828 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 2:08 pm to
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What time is kickoff set for?


6PM on ESPN2
Posted by vatek
Culpeper, VA
Member since Jul 2007
1828 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 2:14 pm to
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We’ll learn a ton about both of these teams after this game.


This
Posted by Roscoe
Member since Sep 2007
3071 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 8:35 pm to
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VT-Clemson



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We’ll learn a ton about both of these teams after this game.




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Think we have already learned a lot about Clemson the last two weeks. They are very good offensive team with lots of young talent at the skill position. They are a decent team defensively - not great, and not horrible. Considering their personnel losses from last year, and the new starters they are breaking in, average is what was expected and average is what they are. Regardless as to what happens Saturday, I'm pretty sure that's going to be the makeup of the Clemson team this year.

VTech - well, we haven't seen them play any "named teams/programs" yet. So I think this is a game where you can learn more about them, similar to how we learned about Clemson after they finished playing the scrubs (Wofford and the other team) and followed it up with some decent teams (Auburn/FSU).

At the end of the day, Clemson can go out there and lay an egg against VT on the road and, based upon what I've seen them do this year, I'd still say they are a pretty good team. Considering that basically everyone, but the National Champion (if they are lucky) loses during the season, one loss by Clemson wouldn't change my opinion of Clemson. And conversly, if Clemson manages to beat VTech, I wouldn't say that VTech is overrated or sucks too.
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