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My take on the defense (a tad long & a bit of X's & O's)
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:44 am
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:44 am
Chavis has always based his defense around requiring an offense to execute via long, sustained drives in order to score. He will not give up the big play, with a few exceptions.
In the 1st half, they scored on exactly that, a long, sustained drive that was aided by a complete BS replay call that allowed a bad ruling on the field to stand (BTW-Replay Crew was from the Big Least. Coincidence? Hmmm).
In the 2nd half, after the 1st drive by our offense, the decision was made as a staff to go into a zone coverage scheme and play the ball in front. This backed the Safeties up even more, and we started playing off the line at corner. This plays STRAIGHT into Holgorsen's hands, as by not re-routing the receiver off the line in this offense means you are at a terrible disadvantage running a zone scheme.
That's because Holgorsen runs his passing offense off a "All Vertical" or "4 Vertical" concept. Saban and other bright defensive minds got wise to Leach's heavy use of crossing routes in his veresion of Mumme's Air Raid, and played a matchup zone that involved "pattern reading". You read the receiver's release-or direction he left the line at the snap going-and defended your zone accordingly.
This requires extensive teaching but can completely bottle up a Leach variety offense. He combatted that by calling Special or "Spec" routes or randomly assigning a receiver to run a different route than normal to throw the Defense off.
Holgorsen & Sumlin do something different. By coming off the line with a vertical release-IE-going straight up the field at the snap at every receiver position-they render pattern reading useless, as none of the receivers are giving the defense any "tells" off the line.
Running a soft zone scheme against a 4 Vertical Offense like that is going to get you shredded, and that's exactly what happened. It was exacerbated because we:
A.) Didn't score early in the 2nd half to put the game away
B.) Coupled the soft zone w/p!ss poor tackling
Beyond that, these offenses always put pressure on linebackers, and that's our weak link. Especially Hatcher. He truly got worked over. He's terrible at zone coverage, and got eaten alive by their Y-Stick concept passing game underneath.
He's proven to be unable to defend the short-zone. He's a penalty waiting to happen when crowding the line and anticipating the snap for an interior gap blitz, and in coverage, he's getting beaten. We already know he takes poor angles (See Arkansas game last year), and now, to add to that, take a gander at the shiteous job of tackling he turned in on that long gainer he gave up. Completley misses the guy and Mathieu has to bail him out.
Hatcher is beyond weak. He's a huge liability for this defense, and we need to get him off the field as much as possible.
If anyone else noticed, after they scored twice in the 3rd quarter, we then returned a kickoff, and went immediately away from the soft zone we'd adjusted to.
As a result, I don't think they took a snap on our side of the 50 in the 4th quarter.
Hope this sheds some light. Just throwing in my $0.02...
In the 1st half, they scored on exactly that, a long, sustained drive that was aided by a complete BS replay call that allowed a bad ruling on the field to stand (BTW-Replay Crew was from the Big Least. Coincidence? Hmmm).
In the 2nd half, after the 1st drive by our offense, the decision was made as a staff to go into a zone coverage scheme and play the ball in front. This backed the Safeties up even more, and we started playing off the line at corner. This plays STRAIGHT into Holgorsen's hands, as by not re-routing the receiver off the line in this offense means you are at a terrible disadvantage running a zone scheme.
That's because Holgorsen runs his passing offense off a "All Vertical" or "4 Vertical" concept. Saban and other bright defensive minds got wise to Leach's heavy use of crossing routes in his veresion of Mumme's Air Raid, and played a matchup zone that involved "pattern reading". You read the receiver's release-or direction he left the line at the snap going-and defended your zone accordingly.
This requires extensive teaching but can completely bottle up a Leach variety offense. He combatted that by calling Special or "Spec" routes or randomly assigning a receiver to run a different route than normal to throw the Defense off.
Holgorsen & Sumlin do something different. By coming off the line with a vertical release-IE-going straight up the field at the snap at every receiver position-they render pattern reading useless, as none of the receivers are giving the defense any "tells" off the line.
Running a soft zone scheme against a 4 Vertical Offense like that is going to get you shredded, and that's exactly what happened. It was exacerbated because we:
A.) Didn't score early in the 2nd half to put the game away
B.) Coupled the soft zone w/p!ss poor tackling
Beyond that, these offenses always put pressure on linebackers, and that's our weak link. Especially Hatcher. He truly got worked over. He's terrible at zone coverage, and got eaten alive by their Y-Stick concept passing game underneath.
He's proven to be unable to defend the short-zone. He's a penalty waiting to happen when crowding the line and anticipating the snap for an interior gap blitz, and in coverage, he's getting beaten. We already know he takes poor angles (See Arkansas game last year), and now, to add to that, take a gander at the shiteous job of tackling he turned in on that long gainer he gave up. Completley misses the guy and Mathieu has to bail him out.
Hatcher is beyond weak. He's a huge liability for this defense, and we need to get him off the field as much as possible.
If anyone else noticed, after they scored twice in the 3rd quarter, we then returned a kickoff, and went immediately away from the soft zone we'd adjusted to.
As a result, I don't think they took a snap on our side of the 50 in the 4th quarter.
Hope this sheds some light. Just throwing in my $0.02...
This post was edited on 9/26/11 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:49 am to GFunk
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B.) Coupled the soft zone w/p!ss poor tackling
Easiest problem to fix, big problem related to yardage given up
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Hatcher. He truly got worked over. He's terrible at zone coverage, and got eaten alive by their Y-Stick concept passing game underneath.
He's proven to be unable to defend the short-zone. He's a penalty waiting to happen when crowding the line and anticipating the snap for an interior gap blitz, and in coverage, he's getting beaten. We already know he takes poor angles (See Arkansas game last year), and now, to add to that, take a gander at the shiteous job of tackling he turned in on that long gainer he gave up. Completley misses the guy and Mathieu has to bail him out.
Hatcher is beyond weak. He's a huge liability for this defense, and we need to get him off the field as much as possible.
Every single big play was a receiver burning Hatcher.
Award for worst tackling goes to Mo.
Award for worst recognition of offensive scheme goes to Hatcher.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:00 am to GFunk
Good analysis. I agree with everything you said. Amazing how Hatcher was benched in the 4th quarter and we changed our scheme, the defense held up.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:15 am to GFunk
Gfunk: what's your football background? Good analysis.
I was most disappointed in the lack of 2nd or 3rd and long pressure we put on their qb. Our d line got manhandled all night long.
I was most disappointed in the lack of 2nd or 3rd and long pressure we put on their qb. Our d line got manhandled all night long.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:17 am to DEG
Seemed like we brought pressure early on, but we just weren't getting to Geno, thats why I think we backed off.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:46 am to DEG
Our dline did what they were told to do they took away the quick scoring drives. When they want to push the line in the backfield they can @ will!!
Posted on 9/26/11 at 4:37 pm to GFunk
Excellent breakdown. Hopefully Hatcher's spot on the bench is a permanent one.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 5:26 pm to josh336
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Seemed like we brought pressure early on, but we just weren't getting to Geno, thats why I think we backed off.
We backed off because we got up by 2 scores, and could afford to defend the big play. Odds were against long sustained drives, and once the field shortened inside the 20, they would have to rely on missed tackles, which they unfortunately got. Once on Claiborne, and again from Brandon Taylor on the screen pass.
We blitzed TM twice in the first half. He was held the first time, but it was still an incompletion, and he batted and intercepted the ball on the other occasion. Their back was used in protection, and was able to double team all night, because Hatcher was supposed to be in coverage, yet he looked like he wasn't too sure about that. Enough so, that I wondered if he wasn't keyed on the back. This put Hatcher in chase mode on coverage, with no pressure being applied to the QB to help with the back.
I have to think the insertion of Muncie was a clear sign that things are being addressed.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:07 am to GFunk
Bump. This thread and analysis are winners. Great stuff!
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:30 am to rpg37
Awsome, Thanks for the insight. I'm already tired of everyone talking about the passing yards. You have explained it so maybe 25% of the rant can understand. Not your fault the percentage is not higher.

Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:35 am to GFunk
Most intelligent and well thought out post I have seen on the Rant in quite some time.
Too bad most people that post here won't be able to understand it because their view of good defense is blitzing on every play.
Too bad most people that post here won't be able to understand it because their view of good defense is blitzing on every play.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:37 am to GFunk
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In the 1st half, they scored on exactly that, a long, sustained drive that was aided by a complete BS replay call that allowed a bad ruling on the field to stand (BTW-Replay Crew was from the Big Least. Coincidence? Hmmm).
Quick question cus i was drunk. So the ref doesnt even watch the replay? i thought i noticed him standing with headphones waiting on the peeps upstairs to tell him the rt call. I think the head guy making the calls should at least review the play and they can debate. Especially since these morons cant see a fricking missed extra point when i could see it clear as day on my tv.
Oh and good post.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 12:39 am
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:43 am to GFunk
quote:
Especially Hatcher. He truly got worked over. He's terrible at zone coverage, and got eaten alive by their Y-Stick concept passing game underneath.
Wrong. He didn't play amazing, but he played better than people are giving him credit for. He helped stop the 50 yard rush that Baker, Reid, and Mathieu and others missed. Right after that play he stopped a rush up the middle that only got a yard. He also pushed the receiver out of bounds on the long 60-70 yard pass that one of the cornerbacks was covering. He also deflected a pass in the 1st half and stopped a run for no yards. He probably had his best game of the season, and I know for a fact that at least half of the defense missed more tackles and assignments than he did on Saturday.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:46 am to BigEdLSU
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Every single big play was a receiver burning Hatcher.
You should probably re-watch the game or get your eyes checked. Then again you would probably blame any big play on him. Kind of ironic that he wasn't at fault for either one of the two big plays that WV had, but he was one of the players that helped stop both of them. Both of those big plays weren't his assignment, good thing he hustled to make a play.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:03 am to whodidthat
bullshite. The 70 yard catch was hatchets man In Coverage. He tackled him because he chased him for 70 yards.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:36 am to WacoTiger
quote:
Good analysis. I agree with everything you said. Amazing how Hatcher was benched in the 4th quarter and we changed our scheme, the defense held up.
this.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:31 am to GFunk
Good read. I learned something from this.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:46 am to GFunk
What I don't understand is, why didn't we blitz on every play?
We are a good defense, and we should be blitzing on every play.
We are a good defense, and we should be blitzing on every play.
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