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re: Grand jury to hear LSU football players case Wednesday; DNA inconclusive
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:31 pm to RummelTiger
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:31 pm to RummelTiger
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Brah, the running game has won two games for us against top 25 teams. The offense, as a whole, numbers not withstanding, is better than last year. Quantify it however you like, but watching the games should be able to tell you the same thing.
no no no stats dont lie
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:33 pm to ZTiger87
So you're saying the offense is better...
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:33 pm to ZTiger87
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But our running game was great last year and it hasn't been as effective this year. Stats back that up.
They don't really, though. Through 3 games last year they were averaging more yards per game, that's definitely true. This year the offense has been much more balanced between the run and the pass.
Yards per game are up, points per game are up., and touchdowns to field goal ratio is better.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:34 pm to RummelTiger
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Quantify it however you like, but watching the games should be able to tell you the same thing.
It appears that either the JJ fanclub isn't watching the games, or are clueless about football. JJ couldn't complete 80% of his passes against anyone, unless they he has been spending his time in solitary in the film room
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:35 pm to jcole4lsu
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no no no stats dont lie
And I know what a sample size is
It is also pretty convenient to leave out the the non BCS games in this advanced scientific statistical analysis since the one game against a non BCS team this year yielded superior stats to last year's non BCS games. What a surprise.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:40 pm to jmath23lsu
As I've previosly argued you cannot dismiss a statistical comparison between last year and this year on one end and then and turn around and bolster your argument with a comparison from last year to this year on the other end. These are two different scenarios with many changes in variables one being JL starting. But, you cannot dismiss the significance of the other variables and point to JL starting as the only significant change. Doing this means you have no interest in the truth and only want to further your agenda.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:40 pm to ZTiger87
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So explain to me why the offense is greatly improved
To this point in time, it's not "greatly improved", but it's a tad better and it seems to be a smoother over-all operation. Of course, some of that smoothness is cause we have half the T/Os this season that we had in the 1st 3 games of 2010.
Whether it's the QB play or just the fact the plays appear to be getting in quicker I don't know, but it just feels better to me.
As for as offensive production is concerned, we are averaging 340 ypg and 36 ppg this season as opposed to bout 325 ypg and 29 ppg that we averaged in the 1st 3 games of 2010.
Of course, our 1st 3 games last season didn't include a Northwestern St. but then again it didn't include an Oregon either.
I'm content with the way things are going, but I think it's still a tad early to be saying that our offense has "greatly improved".
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:44 pm to A75CADDY
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As I've previosly argued you cannot dismiss a statistical comparison between last year and this year on one end and then and turn around and bolster your argument with a comparison from last year to this year on the other end. These are two different scenarios with many changes in variables one being JL starting. But, you cannot dismiss the significance of the other variables and point to JL starting as the only significant change. Doing this means you have no interest in the truth and only want to further your agenda.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:45 pm to A75CADDY
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But, you cannot dismiss the significance of the other variables and point to JL starting as the only significant change.
I was merely responding to the post about the running game not being as effective this year as it was last year to an equal point in the season. I made no claims to the starting quarterback, one way or another.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:46 pm to Icansee4miles
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Icansee4miles
What was your post? I can't see the pic?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:53 pm to jmath23lsu
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jmath23lsu
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I was merely responding to the post about the running game not being as effective this year as it was last year to an equal point in the season. I made no claims to the starting quarterback, one way or another.
I was not calling out one poster, but people here jumped on ZTiger for saying the offense isnt much better than last year and comparing the stats we have from this year to the entirety of last year. They say the sample sizes aren't the same, yet they proclaim that JL is playing better than JJ did and point to the three games this year compared to the stats from all of last year. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black doesn't it.
I will say that JL has played well within the offense, but I also argue that JJ can possibly play better than last year within the offense as well. And thatqb performance last year can't really be compared to performance this year because of the many changes in team dynamics that have occurred. I think the coaches will allow competition and the qb that gives us the best chance to win will play (tha may be both)
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 9/20/11 at 12:10 am to ZTiger87
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7 of the 11 teams were ranked when we played them.
I asked you to do this and I don't see the answer, so I will. Let's try to compare apples to apples here, and not 2 games against ranked teams to an entire season.
2010 First two games against ranked teams, 2011 First two games against ranked teams
Yards per game:
272
317
Passing yards per game:
116
156
Rushing yards per game:
156
162
First downs per game:
12
20
Yards per pass attempt:
5.25
6.34
Yards per carry:
4.33
3.75
Yards per play:
4.68
4.69
Points per game:
25
29.5
And there you have it. 2011 offense is better. A significant improvement in number of first downs per game means we are sustaining drives and operating much more efficiently. Yards per carry is the only category that is down from last year, but we also have many more carries which could be a product of a philosophy change (the identity we mentioned earlier, sticking to a gameplan, etc) and could also show that we are controlling the clock and keeping the ball. Maybe more short yardage situations? Could there be a correlation there to the increase in first downs?
Posted on 9/20/11 at 12:31 am to MOT
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And there you have it. 2011 offense is better.
So what do you think is the cause of the offense being better this year?
Posted on 9/20/11 at 12:40 am to A75CADDY
I quit reading after 5 pages, but, this is JL's team now.
Has he still been going to class?
Don't we need a scout team QB & a holder (maybe for trick plays in the season)?
Has he still been going to class?
Don't we need a scout team QB & a holder (maybe for trick plays in the season)?
Posted on 9/20/11 at 12:41 am to Wideman
Wideman I agree. Couple of times on thursday i really wished we had jj in the redzone. He is good enough to get points with his feet. Weve seen it numerous times over his career.
This post was edited on 9/20/11 at 12:43 am
Posted on 9/20/11 at 12:48 am to MOT
you need to compare where the O was at the last 2 games. Its no secret it was better the end of the year. And my guess would be they would have progressed even more, and here we are. I only expect them to get better, regardless of qb. If it doesnt, then we will see multiple qbs again.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 1:19 am to dgnx6
JJ would do nothing but benefit the team in our quest for another NC. After all, he wass our starting QB through Miles eyes. Hope to have him back soon as he worked for it and deserves it.
Where are all the judge & jury ranters that condemed him before a trial on this tiger board? That weekend warrior Marine sounded like scum after hearing more and more about him. I pray the truth is revealed in court and JJ & Johns reputations and positions return to where they should be.
Where are all the judge & jury ranters that condemed him before a trial on this tiger board? That weekend warrior Marine sounded like scum after hearing more and more about him. I pray the truth is revealed in court and JJ & Johns reputations and positions return to where they should be.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 1:23 am to MOT
please post TD by passing and running 2010 vs 2011.
also include INT's thrown.
also include INT's thrown.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:10 am to MOT
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Let's try to compare apples to apples here
Good luck with that...new OC, new QB coach, new Fr players, new RBs, better D.......
If you must compare something, try the last 3 games of 2010 to the 1st 3 games of 2011.
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