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Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:09 pm to jm3
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You are absolutely retarded, assuming you're being serious
No, I'm hearing this from a lot of people. There's no way we go from a beat down of the #3 ranked team, to wanting the old QB back, unless there are other unstated reasons.
JJ NEVER led a beatdown of a top 5 ranked team. Every game was a nailbiter.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:18 pm to TIsuGGER
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JJ NEVER led a beatdown of a top 5 ranked team. Every game was a nailbiter.
Our defense and special teams were incredible. This may be the best defense at LSU in a while. We started a few drives on our side of the 50 and ran the ball well. Lee was a leader, but by no means did he put the team on his shoulders and will us to victory like some people would like to think.
He was serviceable and I think he will continue to improve throughout the year, but lets not sugar coat this mediocre game. There's nothing wrong with Lee not setting the world on fire because no one expects him to. We will win a lot of games because of our defense, but in order to beat the bamas we will need to improve on offense as a whole, and all the players and coaches recognize that while some of you are under the impression the receivers are the only problem with the offense.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:20 pm to Jarrt476
Just got in from the game. I am very proud of this team and JLee. I thought Lee did a good job. I will bet that Lee, himself, thinks could have done better and that will make him improve.
He should be very happy with his performance.
The team, the fans, and organizers of the 'Cotton Bowl Claasic' should be very proud of putting together a great event.
Lee did his part in a very important win for the TIGER Nation and the entire team played inspired football. A total team effort and Lee was functionally sound.
He should be very happy with his performance.
The team, the fans, and organizers of the 'Cotton Bowl Claasic' should be very proud of putting together a great event.
Lee did his part in a very important win for the TIGER Nation and the entire team played inspired football. A total team effort and Lee was functionally sound.
This post was edited on 9/4/11 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:23 pm to TIsuGGER
I wasn't referring to you and I can promise you I'm not wishing jefferson was back or stating that he would have done any better. And I think anyone who says that is retarded as well. I think this thread is more about your perception of lee's performance. You're giving him too much positive when no one is really saying anything negative about him in the first place. He wasn't bad by any means and I've said that before. He took care of the ball and any mistake was trivial. However, that doesn't mean he played great. His performance was average and no better
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:30 pm to jm3
Agree with you last post. But the way I see it is we already know that Lee has a better arm than he showed last night. That was his worst performance on looking at strickly throwing the ball. Wasn't a concern going in and I am not concerned that his passing will stay that way.
His decision making was the concern and he didn't break down and screw us. That was the concern with JL and at least for one game he played four quarters without hurting the team.
This is why I think so many are semipumped about his play. He didn't crumble mentally. His passing will return.. Geaux Lee. Geaux tigers. Geaux JJ if he returns.
His decision making was the concern and he didn't break down and screw us. That was the concern with JL and at least for one game he played four quarters without hurting the team.
This is why I think so many are semipumped about his play. He didn't crumble mentally. His passing will return.. Geaux Lee. Geaux tigers. Geaux JJ if he returns.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:36 pm to omegaman66
I think he has the potential to be a great passer and I agree that it was the mental aspect of the game that was more concerning than any lack of talent, which is untrue. He will be a good qb and he will have much better games than yesterday and he will likely be the reason we win a game or more this season. However, that doesn't mean he was any better than average last night and that's the only point I've been trying to make.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:50 pm to Purple N Gold Blood
I thought he played very well and his receivers have to make plays as well. It's not a one way street. At least 3 or 4 more balls could have been caught if the receivers would have put forth the effort that anyone of the defensive players put out last night.
He ran the offense and looked calm on every play except for the sack.
He didn't hang his head and have that sour arse look that JJ had half the time last year. It may be that the system has been simplified a bit more from last year which is what was needed but it looks like they are very close to being a better than average passing team. He also made some good throws when they were needed most.
Also Jefferson admitted in a article before the brawl happened that he did not like the play calls that were called and didn't want to run them and that he would not do that this year. Do you really want to hear that from the guy that is supposed to be your senior leader, you run what your coach wants to run. Give some input to the coach and call audibles as necessary and as practiced but if you're a leader you don't pout about it.
He ran the offense and looked calm on every play except for the sack.
He didn't hang his head and have that sour arse look that JJ had half the time last year. It may be that the system has been simplified a bit more from last year which is what was needed but it looks like they are very close to being a better than average passing team. He also made some good throws when they were needed most.
Also Jefferson admitted in a article before the brawl happened that he did not like the play calls that were called and didn't want to run them and that he would not do that this year. Do you really want to hear that from the guy that is supposed to be your senior leader, you run what your coach wants to run. Give some input to the coach and call audibles as necessary and as practiced but if you're a leader you don't pout about it.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:53 pm to doogles02
Also, they're DBs weren't just slapping balls away but they were in good position on our receivers almost all night. Lee was also getting rid of the ball as they were breaking on their routes a hell of a lot better than last year.
And most of you are right he was somewhere between average and good last night but QB play was way below average last year. 7 TDs and 10 INTs is pathetic for as much as JJ played, get real if you don't think Lee can do better than that.
And most of you are right he was somewhere between average and good last night but QB play was way below average last year. 7 TDs and 10 INTs is pathetic for as much as JJ played, get real if you don't think Lee can do better than that.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:53 pm to doogles02
Also, they're DBs weren't just slapping balls away but they were in good position on our receivers almost all night. Lee was also getting rid of the ball as they were breaking on their routes a hell of a lot better than last year.
And most of you are right he was somewhere between average and good last night but QB play was way below average last year. 7 TDs and 10 INTs is pathetic for as much as JJ played, get real if you don't think Lee can do better than that.
And most of you are right he was somewhere between average and good last night but QB play was way below average last year. 7 TDs and 10 INTs is pathetic for as much as JJ played, get real if you don't think Lee can do better than that.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 8:58 pm to TIsuGGER
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Clement had the ball so log, the announcers called it a fumble. He lost focus.
Clement lost focus. You are delusional. The ball was stripped by the d-back. Not a drop. But was well thrown.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:03 pm to TheDoc
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if the ball hits you in both hands, you have to catch it.
period.
Give me a break.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:08 pm to TIsuGGER
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No, I'm hearing this from a lot of people. There's no way we go from a beat down of the #3 ranked team, to wanting the old QB back, unless there are other unstated reasons.
JJ NEVER led a beatdown of a top 5 ranked team. Every game was a nailbiter.
WTF. You act like LEE led the beat down. The defense and special teams helped out a lot. The running game was also a BIG factor.
I promise you Bama, Arkansas, Florida, Mississippi St, etc will make us have to run a balanced offense. They have SPEED on defense. I doubt if LSU gets over 200 on the ground vs higher ranked SEC teams. Our running game saved JL. Kept him from having to pass a lot, drained the clock, etc.
ETA: For people talkin about wr's not helping, dropping balls, hell we can say that about EVERY TEAM. "Only if the wr's didn't drop the balls, only if they helped out." Seriously. Hell if the Chiefs wr's would catch the ball, not drop passes, Matt Cassel would be the best QB in the NFL. See how easy that is.
This post was edited on 9/4/11 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:19 pm to TigerTreyjpg
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The more I read these threads, I swear that that there are people on this board are upset that he did well STRICTLY because he's white.
What?????? Are you serious?
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Do these folks realize what just happened? We took a national media darling team OUT BEHIIND THE WOODSHED, with a qb that hasn't been practcing with the one's but for a week.
Lets not fabricate stuff. Lee shared first team snaps with Jefferson and he is a 5th year senior.
I think the issue is the double standard. Had JJ performed the same, based on the responses last year, he would have been villified. His "dropped" passes were bad throws. He was castigated for throwing for less than 100 yards. His bad passes were highlighted. Yet statistically he has always done better than Lee. To bring that out is to be labeled a Lee hater. However the facts are that the hate spewed on this board has been overwhelmingly against JJ and it isn't even close. The same thing happened with JR and Flynn. Vastly different standards.
They created new statistics just for JJ. Yards after catch were deducted from his yardage. Difficult catches were deducted. 200 yards became the standard for a good game. He couldn't throw the long ball. He locked on his fist target. They named every QB including the current Texas and Fla QB's as better.
Now Lee has new statistics created for him. Dropped balls a added. Penalty catches are added. Bad passes are add because the receiver should have caught the ball.
This guy just indicated Lee had a perfect game but for 2 passes. All bad things were the result of others. All bad things with JJ were his fault as noted above. I guarantee he did not use the same standard with JJ.
Fair minded people cannot stand by and not note the double standard. Even when they are called names. I support Lee as QB as much as I have supported JJ as QB, as I would whoever is QB. Just treat them the same. There are no second class citizens on this team. Somehow because Lee stayed the course, which is great, he is sainted. And JJ, who won the starting position each year, and stayed the course as well, is to be deomonized. That is not right or fair to JJ.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:22 pm to TigerTreyjpg
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This team has the talent to run the table. Please, racebaiters, don't screw this up for us
Clearly you are the racebaiter in this thread and it is not even close. However, I know that to be a tactic. Call them what, in truth, you are yourself.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:22 pm to justustm2
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Somehow because Lee stayed the course, which is great, he is sainted. And JJ, who won the starting position each year, and stayed the course as well, is to be deomonized. That is not right or fair to JJ.
Thank you. I can remember a lot of games people got on JJ for not having A LOT of yards passing, wr's not catching balls, etc. JL is a SENIOR QB. That was not a GREAT game. Thank good for a great defense, special teams and GREAT running game.
Both JL and JJ suck. If anyone think those guys are good then you have mental problems.
This post was edited on 9/4/11 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:33 pm to UpToPar
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Drops are going to be a part of every game. It was the same thing last year. Lee played well for it being his first start in a while considering the circumstances. He did not light the world on fire and still needs to improve greatly, but he does not need to be great with our defense and play makers.
I agree with this! I think the game plan was to hold back the reigns on JL last night. It was a very conservative gameplan. I think CLM and Krags wanted to keep it simple last night, and not put JL in situations to hurt his confidence. He played decent last night and didn't make any killer mistakes. That said he will have to sharpen up, because those numbers will not cut it once we start SEC play. I think he will be fine, and hopefully the gameplan is to let him throw a lot more against Northwestern st.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:37 pm to infantry1026
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That said he will have to sharpen up, because those numbers will not cut it once we start SEC play.
Thank you. I promise you we'll have more dropped passes, etc vs SEC defenses. And they'll do a better job stopping the run.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:43 pm to bayou2003
You are absolutely correct, but we have to remember that the reigns were tight last night. The gameplan was very conservative. Hopefully with more reps the gameplan will expand. If this does not improve though, they will have to look to start getting Mett some snaps just in case we are forced to turn to him during the season. 
Posted on 9/4/11 at 9:51 pm to infantry1026
we are 103rd in passing offense after week 1. Lets not start the Heisman campaign just yet.
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