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Beef Bourguignon
Posted on 7/23/11 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 7/23/11 at 5:23 pm
I decided to do some in depth research on this dish, and I'm now confused more than ever. Some people make this stove top while others swear by the oven (a more even heat). One recipe professes that the dish will be inferior if not marinated overnight, but he didn't even sear off the meat, which is a vital step according to others. Some implore to use only the finest wine, while Bourdain says that any ol' jug or box will do.
I took in everything in my research and made a note of all of the congruences, but I was wondering what the folk here think is an important part of making this dish. I've made beef stew before which is obviously very similar, but I'm wondering about perfecting this particular dish. Flour the meat before browning or add later? Tomato paste...yes or no? etc...
Any tips besides the obvious which you find helpful?
I took in everything in my research and made a note of all of the congruences, but I was wondering what the folk here think is an important part of making this dish. I've made beef stew before which is obviously very similar, but I'm wondering about perfecting this particular dish. Flour the meat before browning or add later? Tomato paste...yes or no? etc...
Any tips besides the obvious which you find helpful?
Posted on 7/23/11 at 5:35 pm to Degas
I don't really see the difference between this dish and beef stew. I made it once and was reasonably impressed, but for four hours of cooking (and an entire movie based on it, it seems like) I expected manna from heaven.
That being said I think that flour and browning before cooking is very important, as is the oven. I couldn't tell you why. I just do.
That being said I think that flour and browning before cooking is very important, as is the oven. I couldn't tell you why. I just do.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 5:37 pm to Degas
In the oven. Julia Childs Mastering the Art of French Cooking is the recipe to use. A wine that you would drink is always a rule of thumb for anything cooked with wine. I don't drink "any old jug" For this dish especially you will taste the wine.
A heavy Bourdeaux or a California Cab.
A heavy Bourdeaux or a California Cab.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 5:54 pm to Martini
Yes, I agree with only cooking with wine you would drink. I was surprised the accomplished Bourdain was suggesting that this need not be the case, but I think he was sort of making it less intimidating to the beginner home cook.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 6:03 pm to Degas
Is Bourdain considered an accomplished chef by his peers? I know he's an accomplished writer but I wasn't sure about his reputation as a Chef. Not saying he doesn't rank high, I'm just asking.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 6:06 pm to OTIS2
No he's not. He could have been. He had talent, but drugs and fast living kind of hindered his progress. He's a good chef, but he is nowhere near great.
But he does know food, and if a very talented writer. He's respected by chefs because he is one of them, but he isn't considered great.
But he does know food, and if a very talented writer. He's respected by chefs because he is one of them, but he isn't considered great.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:07 pm to Degas
In these situations, it's probably best to consult a food scientist, which usually means Harold McGee.
Got this from the internets:
McGee says to quickly sear pieces a minimum of an inch per side, then into the cold oven, turn it on to 200 F and let it cook for two hours, then increase heat to 250 for another hour, at which time you begin checking for tenderness. Once cooked, let it sit outside the oven in its braise to cool, allowing it to reabsorb some of the liquid. Then make a sauce. Great for making in advance and sticking in the fridge, then gently reheating for serving (you can microwave at a low setting with no harm).
According to McGee, too high a heat dries out the muscle fibers. And the low temp for a sustained time allows the collagen to soften into gelatin, giving you that great mouth-fee.
Got this from the internets:
McGee says to quickly sear pieces a minimum of an inch per side, then into the cold oven, turn it on to 200 F and let it cook for two hours, then increase heat to 250 for another hour, at which time you begin checking for tenderness. Once cooked, let it sit outside the oven in its braise to cool, allowing it to reabsorb some of the liquid. Then make a sauce. Great for making in advance and sticking in the fridge, then gently reheating for serving (you can microwave at a low setting with no harm).
According to McGee, too high a heat dries out the muscle fibers. And the low temp for a sustained time allows the collagen to soften into gelatin, giving you that great mouth-fee.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:47 pm to Rick Derris
I do own On Food And Cooking...may have to revisit it. Thanks.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 10:48 pm to Degas
I watched bourdain make that on the techniques special. I made a batch and followed his steps and came out great. It just tales time. Low n slow for 4 hours. Skimming the grease. Stirred occationally but not toohard so not to break up the meat.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 10:52 pm to Degas
I've always made this in a Dutch Oven on the stove and different ways and sometimes more or less a Red Wine Stew.
If you don't brown the meat and simmer it in the wine, the meat will (obviously) takes sort of like the wine - but it's not bad and very tender.
Most important and the best results:
1) Flour the meat
2) Brown the meat in the Dutch Oven or Pot (that you will cook it in) and use bacon fat/grease to brown the meat in. Remove the meat, then saute the onions and then drain the leftover bacon fat...you want to brown the meat in the same pot so you can scrape up those little bits of bacon bits while it's simmering later.
3) Put the meat back in and add the wine to simmer
4) I add tomato paste if I am adding beef broth to make it a little stewy.
From there you can add whatever and play with it depending on whether you want traditional or American-style stew.
If you don't brown the meat and simmer it in the wine, the meat will (obviously) takes sort of like the wine - but it's not bad and very tender.
Most important and the best results:
1) Flour the meat
2) Brown the meat in the Dutch Oven or Pot (that you will cook it in) and use bacon fat/grease to brown the meat in. Remove the meat, then saute the onions and then drain the leftover bacon fat...you want to brown the meat in the same pot so you can scrape up those little bits of bacon bits while it's simmering later.
3) Put the meat back in and add the wine to simmer
4) I add tomato paste if I am adding beef broth to make it a little stewy.
From there you can add whatever and play with it depending on whether you want traditional or American-style stew.
This post was edited on 7/23/11 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 7/23/11 at 10:55 pm to Boondock544
I'm making it now, and my goal was to see what the overall taste will turn out to be. I'll move onto the Julia Child fine tuning of putting a glaze (pearl) onions as a garnish, etc.
It's starting to smell fantastic.
It's starting to smell fantastic.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 8:22 am to OTIS2
Thanks for reminding me of this Degas, I have not made it in many years, but in the early '70's it was one of the 1st 'gourmet' dishes I made for company. I'm sure I made in the oven, but I'll pull out my old Julia and make this as soon as the weather gets a little cooler.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 9:10 am to Degas
I made her pearl onions and they were flavored way too much like the wine. I used a cheap wine. Mistake. Definitely use a good wine for these.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 12:33 pm to OTIS2
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It was very close to what I wanted. The beef and carrots turned out perfectly cooked, although I did need to go way past the cooking time given to me in recipes for the beef to be tender. The sauce it made was seasoned perfectly as far as salt, pepper, garlic, but it was missing depth. The flavor sort of dropped off after a second of tasting, and in hindsight I would have used lardons which some recipes did not call for so I omitted it. I'm sure it would have added great flavor, and it's a step I'm not going to skip next time. I also added the mushrooms just a bit too late as they were fairly firm. Button mushrooms would have cooked faster, but I used cremini.
I had some escapees from my bouquet garni so I needed to pick some thyme stems from the dish. Other than that, it was fairly simple with great results.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 12:52 pm to Degas
Since the origin of the dish is Burgundy, I would use pinot noir.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 1:12 pm to coolpapaboze
It's exactly what I used, and for that reason.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 2:34 pm to OTIS2
For missing depth of flavor, add marmite, which will supply umami element.
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