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Saints Free Agency Outlook, This Year Only Possible FA Rules
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:35 pm
The word is all 4+yr players will be UFA. Here's the Saints list with my outlook for return in %-
6 years or more experience:
LB Scott Shanle- 65% we know his weaknesses as a starter but he would be a great backup
C Jonathan Goodwin- 50% he could easily be offered more money elsewhere, the bigger factor might be how ready they think Tennant is to take over
S Darren Sharper- 40% even at league minimum he might be spendy for a backup
FB Heath Evans- 50% injuries+age+cost might make a younger free agent FB more attractive
DT Anthony Hargrove- 50% a big question mark for me, dunno how much they like him and if someone else might be willing to pay him a lot more
DE/DT Jimmy Wilkerson- 50% another of some we really do not have any clear read on how the front office feels. A good multi position backup?
RB Julius Jones- Reggie gone I'd go 55%, Reggie back 25%
RB Ladell Betts- 35% maybe one out of Jones, Betts, & Wynn return
LB Danny Clark- 40% the younger & faster LB movement doesn't bode well for him
LB Kawika Mitchell- 15% only if he shows something at all
S Pierson Prioleau 50% age even can catch up to GW's coach on the field
S Matt Giordano- 30% prolly only one or two of these special teams only type players can stick
5 years:
S Roman Harper- 80% one of the guys they would have the hardest time replacing
WR Lance Moore- 70% Welker Jr. finally gets his payday
TE David Thomas- 70% Shockey gone increases his value
OT Zach Strief- 90% perfect role and loves NOLA as much as any player
WR/KR Courtney Roby- 40% at best, KRs diminished value with new rules, is a ST only gunner canidate
CB Leigh Torrence- 35% not a bad backup but we're getting pretty deep with the drafted CBs
4 years:
OT Jermon Bushrod- more about Charles Brown than him IMO. Brown ready then 35%, Brown not 65%. Love to see him move to RT when Stinch leaves
DT Remi Ayodele- 50% has improved steadily and quietly, someone might overpay for him now
DE Jeff Charleston- 65% not seeing anyone else slobbering over him
LB Marvin Mitchell- 60% decent backup unless someone wants to pay him more than minimunm
S Usama Young- 40% take him or leave him at this point, he's marginal even playing at minimum
S Chris Reis- 60% one of the good candidates to make it as a ST only guy
TE Tory Humphrey- 70% only 4 on the roster and SP always keeps 4+. Gone if a better minimum cost option is available
RB DeShawn Wynn- 35% in the competition for a final RB spot. Advantage is as a ST contributor
6 years or more experience:
LB Scott Shanle- 65% we know his weaknesses as a starter but he would be a great backup
C Jonathan Goodwin- 50% he could easily be offered more money elsewhere, the bigger factor might be how ready they think Tennant is to take over
S Darren Sharper- 40% even at league minimum he might be spendy for a backup
FB Heath Evans- 50% injuries+age+cost might make a younger free agent FB more attractive
DT Anthony Hargrove- 50% a big question mark for me, dunno how much they like him and if someone else might be willing to pay him a lot more
DE/DT Jimmy Wilkerson- 50% another of some we really do not have any clear read on how the front office feels. A good multi position backup?
RB Julius Jones- Reggie gone I'd go 55%, Reggie back 25%
RB Ladell Betts- 35% maybe one out of Jones, Betts, & Wynn return
LB Danny Clark- 40% the younger & faster LB movement doesn't bode well for him
LB Kawika Mitchell- 15% only if he shows something at all
S Pierson Prioleau 50% age even can catch up to GW's coach on the field
S Matt Giordano- 30% prolly only one or two of these special teams only type players can stick
5 years:
S Roman Harper- 80% one of the guys they would have the hardest time replacing
WR Lance Moore- 70% Welker Jr. finally gets his payday
TE David Thomas- 70% Shockey gone increases his value
OT Zach Strief- 90% perfect role and loves NOLA as much as any player
WR/KR Courtney Roby- 40% at best, KRs diminished value with new rules, is a ST only gunner canidate
CB Leigh Torrence- 35% not a bad backup but we're getting pretty deep with the drafted CBs
4 years:
OT Jermon Bushrod- more about Charles Brown than him IMO. Brown ready then 35%, Brown not 65%. Love to see him move to RT when Stinch leaves
DT Remi Ayodele- 50% has improved steadily and quietly, someone might overpay for him now
DE Jeff Charleston- 65% not seeing anyone else slobbering over him
LB Marvin Mitchell- 60% decent backup unless someone wants to pay him more than minimunm
S Usama Young- 40% take him or leave him at this point, he's marginal even playing at minimum
S Chris Reis- 60% one of the good candidates to make it as a ST only guy
TE Tory Humphrey- 70% only 4 on the roster and SP always keeps 4+. Gone if a better minimum cost option is available
RB DeShawn Wynn- 35% in the competition for a final RB spot. Advantage is as a ST contributor
This post was edited on 6/24/11 at 12:08 am
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:37 pm to blueslover
Blues, are you afraid that you won't break the news first when it happens? 
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:47 pm to whodatfan
I was a huge beisbol fanatic pre-late 90's. The greed of the labor strife, resulting no capped free agency, & steroids pushed even a devout fan as myself out the door. The Jerry Jones & Daniel Snyders still have the capability to do the same thing with the NFL. Their regard for the integrity of the game and fans is nothing compared to their egos need to win and make more money.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:47 pm to blueslover
Free agency is going to fuggin nuts this year.
Guys we can't afford to lose:
S Roman Harper
TE David Thomas
WR Lance Moore
TE Tory Humphrey - for depth alone
Guys we will miss but won't break without:
LB Scott Shanle
C Jonathan Goodwin
OT Zach Strief
DT Remi Ayodele
Guys we can't afford to lose:
S Roman Harper
TE David Thomas
WR Lance Moore
TE Tory Humphrey - for depth alone
Guys we will miss but won't break without:
LB Scott Shanle
C Jonathan Goodwin
OT Zach Strief
DT Remi Ayodele
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:21 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I posted this in another thread, but the proposed change in the salary floor is going to make Free Agency more interesting in the future IMO.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:30 pm to Fun Bunch
Obviously this is the best news so far. What would you guys put the odds at for a full 16 game season this year?
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:37 pm to boonies
quote:90% its gonna happen
What would you guys put the odds at for a full 16 game season this year?
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:40 pm to Meateye
quote:
90% its gonna happen
Honestly I would say its higher than that. Looks to be almost a done deal at this point. I'd be shocked if FA didn't start within the next 3 weeks.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
I'd be shocked if FA didn't start within the next 3 weeks.
I can't wait for the message board eruptions that free agency is going to cause this year
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:48 pm to boonies
quote:It is gonna be crazy but everybody has alot of FAs so I think everybody will be trying to sign there own before going out after everybody elses
I can't wait for the message board eruptions that free agency is going to cause this year
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:49 pm to boonies
I'd say 95% for full season, and yes free agency is going to be completely nuts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 6:30 pm to bubbz
98% full season.
if you thought the draft threads were bad, just wait...
if you thought the draft threads were bad, just wait...
Posted on 6/21/11 at 7:00 pm to blueslover
Let's go frickING CRAZY!!!
Posted on 6/21/11 at 7:41 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
Guys we will miss but won't break without:
OT Zach Strief
Who will we have for injury or insert in a jumbo package? Just Charles Brown?
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:11 am to ATLienTiger
There will be a rush in a condensed time frame to sign free agents. This should increase the chance of re-signings just through the familiarity aspect. That is except for players teams don't really want back too bad. Those should sign away quickly also. If there's a guy out there ya really want I'm expecting the big money to be thrown down faster than normal. In essence, not a lot of drawn out negotiating. The only ones lingering might be players that no one is really after. Ones on the Saints list that might end up like that to me are-
Sharper
Evans
Jones
Betts
Mitchell
Giordano
Roby
Young
Wynn
Sharper
Evans
Jones
Betts
Mitchell
Giordano
Roby
Young
Wynn
Posted on 6/22/11 at 2:13 pm to blueslover
Blues, do you see the Saints going after someone in FA that is not on anyone's radar? And if so who?
Posted on 6/22/11 at 3:41 pm to geauxtigers87
not expecting any big name/money splashes
the most frequently mentioned one that would make sense is LB Rocky McIntosh- especially if Shanlee departs.
Any signings prolly more the result of who might leave than going after a high impact guy. Most of those scenarios I expect for backup/ST guys than frontline players. I could see Sharper, Prioleau, Young, & Giordano all or some gone creating a big safety void (Reis should be back but I count him as minimal impact outside of ST). There's plenty of similar skilled/price UFAs that could fill those spots.
My biggest starter leaving fear is Lance Moore. I can see someone overpaying & outbidding the Saints. There's no other slot guy on the squad quite like him and he'd be tougher to replace in type of receiver from the open market. I really expected a mid round WR draft pick that could be insurance there or be a possible replacement for Devery. I wanted a guy that would shore up what I see being another potential hole...
Kick & Punt Returner- Reggie could be gone. I really can't stand Moore as a PR. Maybe Johnny Patrick? I dunno. Roby could possibly be done cuz of his head. Even if he's not done he's pretty expensive for a KR and gunner only value guy. The KO rule changes might be favorable to poor kick returning teams like ours maybe. Wildass hope for that? I still think Darren Sproles has some gas. Plus he does KR & PR. He should sign for just about the same amount Reggie should sign for. A better than perfect Reggie replacement IMO.
the most frequently mentioned one that would make sense is LB Rocky McIntosh- especially if Shanlee departs.
Any signings prolly more the result of who might leave than going after a high impact guy. Most of those scenarios I expect for backup/ST guys than frontline players. I could see Sharper, Prioleau, Young, & Giordano all or some gone creating a big safety void (Reis should be back but I count him as minimal impact outside of ST). There's plenty of similar skilled/price UFAs that could fill those spots.
My biggest starter leaving fear is Lance Moore. I can see someone overpaying & outbidding the Saints. There's no other slot guy on the squad quite like him and he'd be tougher to replace in type of receiver from the open market. I really expected a mid round WR draft pick that could be insurance there or be a possible replacement for Devery. I wanted a guy that would shore up what I see being another potential hole...
Kick & Punt Returner- Reggie could be gone. I really can't stand Moore as a PR. Maybe Johnny Patrick? I dunno. Roby could possibly be done cuz of his head. Even if he's not done he's pretty expensive for a KR and gunner only value guy. The KO rule changes might be favorable to poor kick returning teams like ours maybe. Wildass hope for that? I still think Darren Sproles has some gas. Plus he does KR & PR. He should sign for just about the same amount Reggie should sign for. A better than perfect Reggie replacement IMO.
This post was edited on 6/22/11 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 6/22/11 at 3:56 pm to blueslover
Well Jeff Pash took a giant dump on any optimism today.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 8:58 am to blueslover
I would like them to get Rocky McIntosh even if Shanle stays. As for Lance Moore, I was with you, I really thought they would draft a WR just in case. Worst case if Moore leaves, is Arrington even a real, viable option? Or does a trade of one of our running backs, such as PT, for a WR become an option?
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:35 am to geauxtigers87
quote:May like it but it doesn't seem like a cap realistic option. They want Tez Wilson & Casillas to be the starters. One solid vet to play behind them would be sufficient.
I would like them to get Rocky McIntosh even if Shanle stays
quote:
is Arrington even a real, viable option?
I think he may be a real NFL WR but not like LM. Have others noticed they actually run Colston out of the slot when Moore isn't in quite a bit? Kinda weird matchup slot guy. NYG Steve Smith is the best slot WR on the market IMO- spendier than LM tho. Anyone have a take on these guys as slot WRs?... Breaston, Laurent Robinson? mark Clayton & Santana Moss are similar but I'm not a fan of either. What about Chansi Stuckey?
quote:
trade of one of our running backs, such as PT
this has been floated in the media recently. I didn't post it cuz it was shot down. Still, ya can see it making sense. He's got a decently attractive contract. I don't think this year tho. Let PT get enough touches to keep his trade value at a 2nd rder. If Reggie stays (or replaced by a same type player), Ivory firms up his game and stays healthy, and Hamilton healthy (big if) then that would be plenty backing behind Ingram IF he proves to be a 250-300 carry guy. I think so.
It's gonna be so wild n wooly in a condensed time frame i don't think we'll see much in trades.
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