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I'm a simple man, explain to me why we "have to" raise the debt ceiling
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:28 pm
Explain this in terms PJ or Kige could understand.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:31 pm to Cosmo
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explain to me why we "have to" raise the debt ceiling
We don't.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:34 pm to Cosmo
Obama needs a good economy to get re-elected. Only way to do that, and pay for entitlements, is to go further in debt. So we need to throw our kids under a bus, to pay for the elusion of today. Got it?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:41 pm to CamdenTiger
The only way we can continue to pay for our scheduled budget and cover everything that the government expects us to pay for, we have to raise the debt ceiling to take out more debt to cover these desires.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:44 pm to lynxcat
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The only way we can continue to pay for our scheduled budget and cover everything that the government expects us to pay for, we have to raise the debt ceiling to take out more debt to cover these desires.
So why don't we just cut some things?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:51 pm to Cosmo
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So why don't we just cut some things?
You don't watch much news do you?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:55 pm to I Love Bama
When you say "cut some things" it would basically have to be from medicaid, medicare, SS, and any other "entitlement program" because those sink about 70% of our budget.
I think we need to change the tax code and it will solve this problem (I am talking about legitimate changes--aka structural changes). We also need to cut entitlements tremendously.
I think we need to change the tax code and it will solve this problem (I am talking about legitimate changes--aka structural changes). We also need to cut entitlements tremendously.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 8:55 pm to Cosmo
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So why don't we just cut some things?
Apparently cuts would "risk a global recession" per Obama.
But he also said this as senator Obama, "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
So which Obama is right?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 9:32 pm to Cosmo
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So why don't we just cut some things?
Government is invested in everything, therefore anything that is cut will be felt by a lot of people. This is not easy to sell for any politician.
Personally I think this is the only redeeming feature of the people who believe in the goldbug hypothesis that the dollar will collapse any day now. At least they are willing to bite the bullet.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 10:01 pm to Cosmo
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So why don't we just cut some things?
Give me a red pen, put me in charge, and I'll cut the budget in half overnight.
I think the budget is one thing inherently wrong/ineffecient in our government (specifically the legislative branch). In simple terms, it's damn hard for those in power to take stuff away from people who have been getting certain things, especially when those are the people that are voting for you in the first place. Big time conflict of interest IMO.
I think we should have a fourth branch of government, solely for the budget ... and they are set up like the Supreme Court.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 4/17/11 at 10:23 pm to Cosmo
We don't, but most reasonable people think that immediately stopping spending & throwing all the government workers out of their jobs would be a disaster for the economy.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 10:38 pm to Cosmo
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Explain this in terms PJ or Kige could understand.
Its pretty simple.
If we don't, the U.S. Treasury will no longer be able to issue new debt. When it stops paying on its debt obligations, treasuries will crash, and since massive amounts of treasuries are owned by the banks - and since the FDIC which backs the banks has its funds in treasuries - your money will go bye bye.In fact the federal reserve itself has massive treasury holdings - not really sure what happens if the fed loses most of its assets but it can't be good.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 4/17/11 at 10:40 pm to JPLSU1981
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Give me a red pen, put me in charge, and I'll cut the budget in half overnight.
Why only 50% ? Why not 64.5% ?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:15 pm to GumboPot
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But he also said this as senator Obama, "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
Too bad Senator Obama is NOTHING like President Obama.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 7:21 am to GumboPot
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But he also said this as senator Obama, "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
So which Obama is right?
I think we should destroy the world's economy over it myself.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 7:39 am to Cosmo
Because we are spending our way to prosperity and can't successfully do this without a shite-ton more borrowing.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 7:45 am to Tigris
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Because we are spending our way to prosperity and can't successfully do this without a shite-ton more borrowing.
Even the budget Clinton and the Republicans passed in the 90's wasn't entirely deficit free - a failure to raise the debt ceiling when needed then would have also resulted in worldwide economic catastrophe.
It seems as if some on the right are willing to bankrupt the U.S. in May because we dont' have a solution to prevent bankruptcy 10 or 20 years down the line.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 7:47 am
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:12 am to OohPooPahDoo
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But he also said this as senator Obama, "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
So which Obama is right?
One of my favorite quotes of the past several weeks....it is amazing how the people who voted for him cannot see that is he is just another two-faced pandering politician with no clue what he is doing
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:35 am to Shankopotomus
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One of my favorite quotes of the past several weeks....it is amazing how the people who voted for him cannot see that is he is just another two-faced pandering politician with no clue what he is doing
What's more amazing is you're willing to destroy the entire economy and your bank account just to make the Democrats say "uncle"
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 8:36 am
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