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re: Gavin Cecchini to Ole Miss
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:42 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:42 am to Lester Earl
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yeah the dad is an absolute douche
how many times are you going to mention this in the thread....we get it you don't like him.
on another note, i agree with just about everything lester has said in this thread. if my kid is in this situation, i would have done the same thing. you can tell PM that it takes 1.75M to sign, but until that final offer comes in, you don't really know if you will take less. situations like this can be very fluid, and i'm not going to turn down 1.3M if i think it is a great offer and great opportunity just because i told a college coach that it would take 1.75M. the timing of everything sucks with college baseball recruiting, as everybody knows, and as with everything else, you have to do what you think is best for yourself going forward IMO.
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Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:44 am to Lester Earl
The market changed when the Sox signed a higher pick for 1.4 mill.. 1.31 was a good price for Garin. PM wants to make it personal against LSU when it is personal FOR the player. Nothing against LSU, the money was right so he goes no matter who he signed with. LSU has the option of signing players who wont be in the situation-- that will work wont it?? Not hardly.
What should happen is LSU should handle this whole thing like Vandy and Fla-- schools that routinely get top draft picks to come. Dont alienate the players.. it is a difficult time making an important decision. Browbeating them and the process doesnt help but push players away.
Actually talk to AVR or Colvin--I have.. in the end the way they were treated made the decision easy.
What should happen is LSU should handle this whole thing like Vandy and Fla-- schools that routinely get top draft picks to come. Dont alienate the players.. it is a difficult time making an important decision. Browbeating them and the process doesnt help but push players away.
Actually talk to AVR or Colvin--I have.. in the end the way they were treated made the decision easy.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:46 am to ellisu99
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Actually talk to AVR
Not true......He was going on a set amount...no matter what
LSU did not treat him unfair/wrong in ANY way
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:50 am to tigerfoot
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You just described a situation the exact opposite that has been talked about here.
Is it opposite argument Tuesday?
Or did you just want to point out the Rebs had a great player?
The point is Ole Miss took a big talent and got moved from around half a mil to about 3 mil. He went to school at Ole Miss and improved his draft stock considerably. This is an example of how the threat of going to Ole Miss can be used as leverage in negotiations. Not just LSU.
Try and keep up.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:52 am to ThisWayChad
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on another note, i agree with just about everything lester has said in this thread. if my kid is in this situation, i would have done the same thing. you can tell PM that it takes 1.75M to sign, but until that final offer comes in, you don't really know if you will take less. situations like this can be very fluid, and i'm not going to turn down 1.3M if i think it is a great offer and great opportunity just because i told a college coach that it would take 1.75M. the timing of everything sucks with college baseball recruiting, as everybody knows, and as with everything else, you have to do what you think is best for yourself going forward IMO.
then don't be pissed because he doesn't offer your younger son. he has a job to do as well. don't be pissed that he doesn't recruit your next son. don't go blabbing to the media what a horse behind he is because he did what was best for his program vs what is best for you. you don't owe it to lsu and he doesn't owe it to you.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:53 am to wahoocs
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What he wanted to point out is that Bianco knows what's going to happen and doesn't mind getting used, because there is no significant dropoff between his Plan B options.
I can tell by his hurt feelings that I'm not very far from being entirely correct on his reaction come signing day.
And to respond to his LSU being the only school comment, we are talking about LA natives here. Nothing personal. Of course it happens elsewhere. LSU just happens to be one of a handful of schools that offer families that kind of negotiating power.
And Ole Miss is not one of the fingers on that hand.
You couldn't be more wrong. I won't have my feelings hurt if they go pro. We've signed kids that have gone pro pretty much every year. It happens.
But I'll take a shot at them any day of the week. Seth Smith, Stephen Head, Cody Satterwhite, Lance Lynn, Bobby Wahl all could easily have gone pro had they wanted to. I never want to not sign a guy because he might go pro. There's always a chance.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:03 am to dos crystal
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then don't be pissed because he doesn't offer your younger son. he has a job to do as well. don't be pissed that he doesn't recruit your next son. don't go blabbing to the media what a horse behind he is because he did what was best for his program vs what is best for you. you don't owe it to lsu and he doesn't owe it to you.
i don't know how i feel about the younger son, that is a dicey situation.....but for PM to not recruit other kids from barbe that show genuine interest in barbe is laughable.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:06 am to ThisWayChad
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but for PM to not recruit other kids from barbe that show genuine interest in barbe is laughable.
He's NOT doing this
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:08 am to lsusteve1
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He's NOT doing this
ok
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:11 am to ThisWayChad
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ok
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ThisWayChad
Please show me a link...or something....that says that PM isn't recruting Barbe players.
You are wrong to even say it
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:22 am to lsusteve1
It wasen't a link, it was one of the first posts in this tread from someone close to the program, that said due to this situation PM has backed off of Barbe.
From what I hear, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and ULL have been at Barbe lately, no LSU sighting.
One program/school will not make or break LSU, I agree. But for the KID's sake, LSU needs to keep an open mind with some of these younger kids that may want to play for the Purple and Gold.
From what I hear, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and ULL have been at Barbe lately, no LSU sighting.
One program/school will not make or break LSU, I agree. But for the KID's sake, LSU needs to keep an open mind with some of these younger kids that may want to play for the Purple and Gold.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:29 am to TigerAlum93
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One program/school will not make or break LSU, I agree. But for the KID's sake, LSU needs to keep an open mind with some of these younger kids that may want to play for the Purple and Gold.
if they want to play for lsu and are good enough, p.m. will recruit them.
ever think cecchini may not want lsu at barbe while he's there? yet, p.m. is the @$$? Cecchini is no saint.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:59 pm to ColonelReb
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You couldn't be more wrong. I won't have my feelings hurt if they go pro
OK, I'll stand corrected.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 1:33 pm to ThisWayChad
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he has a job to do as well.
This.
PMs job is to look out for LSU. He's not the Cecchini's fricking Agent. He gets paid to get blue chips to sign with LSU, not to help them along with the draft process, not to advise them on what's best financially for him or his family, not to provide leverage for him to get more money from MLB. He's not Garin or Gavin's dad. He doesnt work for them he works for LSU.
They obviously talked about an amount of money needed to get him to skip college. They came up with the figure and it had not been met. PM could have potentially been telling other guys thanks but no thanks b/c the sox were not near the figure. Then all of sudden he bolts for half a mill less and PM gets stuck with a hole in his class and has wasted time and money on someone who lied. Why would PM waste his time again on the little brother? The dad is likely the one running the show, if he did it for the older brother, you gotta think he would do it again for the younger. He simply isint gonna recruit him and continue to play more games with the Cecchini family.
This post was edited on 4/12/11 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/12/11 at 3:07 pm to LsuTool
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PMs job is to look out for LSU
and Glen Cecchini's job is to look out for his family, not to make sure PM fields a team that gets to Omaha.
I don't know all the specifics re: this recruitment, and 1.75M could have been their bottom line and things simply changed. But, would you let everybody know what your bottom line was in a business deal? No, because that is not how "negotiations" work. PM is trying to change the rules of negotiating, and it is simply not going to work every time. Whether you agree with PM or agree with the kid(s), or can see both sides, you should certainly agree that it is not in the person's best interest to reveal their bottom line to everybody in a negotiation before the negotiation takes place.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 3:57 pm to ThisWayChad
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and Glen Cecchini's job is to look out for his family, not to make sure PM fields a team that gets to Omaha.
I don't know all the specifics re: this recruitment, and 1.75M could have been their bottom line and things simply changed. But, would you let everybody know what your bottom line was in a business deal? No, because that is not how "negotiations" work. PM is trying to change the rules of negotiating, and it is simply not going to work every time. Whether you agree with PM or agree with the kid(s), or can see both sides, you should certainly agree that it is not in the person's best interest to reveal their bottom line to everybody in a negotiation before the negotiation takes place.
i don't think anyone has an issue with that. both did what they thought was the best for them.
your right, they didn't have tell p.m. the bottom line, he doesn't have to honor the younger sons offer. where is the foul?
Posted on 4/12/11 at 6:41 pm to LsuTool
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PMs job is to look out for LSU
if a recruit reads the original story posted, how do you think he sees LSU?
in a good light, or not a good light?
keep in mind he may not be an LSU fan who slobbers PM's ballsack. On that doesnt know about the Cecchinni family.
Just an unbiased kid trying to plan his future.
How do you think he takes it?
Posted on 4/12/11 at 7:10 pm to Lester Earl
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if a recruit reads the original story posted, how do you think he sees LSU?
I think he sees it as sour grapes by the kid that got his offer revoked.
And, when he talks to the staff, they are going to talk to him about his number. They are going to stress the importance and how if he wants to go to LSU, that he needs to communicate that with the staff. If the topic comes up, the staff will explain how much they rely on accurate info when it comes the signing amount. And, they need to understand what the minimum amount he will sign for.
Then the staff will tell him that, while they want him on campus, he will have the best chance of getting his asking price by committing to LSU. But, if he doesn't, he'll have an opportunity to play for the premier baseball program in the country.
In the end, the Cecchini situation will mean nothing as Cecchini's will come across as a dishonest group of people.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 8:08 pm to moneyg
The comments from this article, and the under the table ones referenced in a previous post that were attributed to others that chose MLB over LSU, are just an attempt to deflect criticism.
These kids were leaning that way from the get go, and their decisions are their own to make. I don't fault Mainieri for doing his part to eliminate being used in the process. I agree with your stance on this.
The only way to consistently handle recruiting quality players with pro potential is to put a system in place which is based on honesty. Whether it's the staff having to cut a kid, or a recruit giving a ballpark signing figure, both sides need to be upfront.
I'm not totally absolving Manieri from any wrongdoing. Supposedly, from a family member of Zach Lee, the baseball program gave him way more grief on his decision than the football one. And, if ever there was a case for a kid to forego college, his was it.
These kids were leaning that way from the get go, and their decisions are their own to make. I don't fault Mainieri for doing his part to eliminate being used in the process. I agree with your stance on this.
The only way to consistently handle recruiting quality players with pro potential is to put a system in place which is based on honesty. Whether it's the staff having to cut a kid, or a recruit giving a ballpark signing figure, both sides need to be upfront.
I'm not totally absolving Manieri from any wrongdoing. Supposedly, from a family member of Zach Lee, the baseball program gave him way more grief on his decision than the football one. And, if ever there was a case for a kid to forego college, his was it.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 8:46 pm to wahoocs
I'm with PM, Screw rhe premodonas( Sp??)& their ego maniacs dad's to many red wines ,but you get the point 
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