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Demystifying the frog
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:11 pm
I have always been a 8-12 lb monofilament spinnerbait and texas rig fisherman, but I have been learning a lot about crankbaits and topwaters in the recent threads. I have a few questions about frogs, namely the scum frog and the soft plastics offered by Zoom etc. They both have similar qualities in the they are weedless and produce pretty violent strikes. I know that you generally want the scum frog at the surface and jerk it along pretty quickly. Do you fish the soft plastic the same way or let it go a little deeper and use more subtle jerks? I understand that you want a longer rod with a high ratio reel. What line do you use for each? I have heard either 30-50 braided or 17-20 mono fluro to increase hook set. Does it really matter between those two? If you use one of those lines, do you run anything else on those poles, maybe another topwater on the mono? Sorry for all the questions, but I really want to expand my arsenal and become more versatile.
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Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:18 pm to puffulufogous
I should use stronger line, but I don't have a rod just for frogs so whatever is on my topwater rod is what I use. Usually around 15lb test. Haven't had one break off yet. I don't fish them all to often, but occasionally I will.
I mainly run them on top of lillies and grass beds. The hardest part is making sure you don't set the hook right when they strike. 90% of the time you'll pull the frog right out. You have to wait until they pull it under and you feel it.
For the Ribbits I usually just cast and retrieve.
With the Spro's I like to let them sit and pop them a couple of times.
Scum Frogs I just jerk them across the water on top of grass or lillies.
I mainly run them on top of lillies and grass beds. The hardest part is making sure you don't set the hook right when they strike. 90% of the time you'll pull the frog right out. You have to wait until they pull it under and you feel it.
For the Ribbits I usually just cast and retrieve.
With the Spro's I like to let them sit and pop them a couple of times.
Scum Frogs I just jerk them across the water on top of grass or lillies.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:28 pm to puffulufogous
I use braid at all costs if fishing over vegetation. If fishing edges, I can use mono.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:36 pm to puffulufogous
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Demystifying the frog
Kermit's Memoirs?
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:37 pm to AlxTgr
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If fishing edges, I can use mono.
Well I don't fish too much thick vegetation or grass, There's a lot more moss that just mucks up your spinner or crankbait. I was hoping I could set up a 7 foot rod with 17 pound test mono that I could also run other topwaters on.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:56 pm to puffulufogous
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a 7 foot rod with 17 pound test mono
Should work.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 2:55 pm to AlxTgr
I'm going out to try it now. Will let yall know my findings. Thanks.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 4:40 pm to puffulufogous
I find braid works a little better with the frog. You have a lot less stretch in braid and I find you get better hook sets.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 4:44 pm to AlxTgr
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7 foot rod with 17 pound test mono
That's what my topwater rig is. No complaints.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 6:30 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I always use braid for frogs. Its thinner to cut through the moss/lillypads, casts a mile, has no memory on the spool, its strong, and it floats.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 10:02 pm to Slickback
On my phone so I can't quote, but what slickback said is dead on about setting the hook, a couple years ago id see that splash and freak out and set the hook. Just wait until you feel the bait being taken, then set it, that's my biggest problem with topwater, I always set the hook when I see it, not when I feel it,
Posted on 3/31/11 at 10:35 pm to puffulufogous
personally when it comes to soft plastic frogs, the ribbit is a much better choice than the horny toads. hts are a lot thicker, making it harder for a good hook set.
Posted on 4/1/11 at 9:56 am to LSUFan3434
So I tried a topwater frog and a horny toad yesterday with no success. No big deal, the place I was fishing generally sucks and doesn't have a lot of cover to work. I was able to use the topwater pretty well and get a good action going. Is the horny toad just supposed to be a cast an retrieve? The bait has to be moving pretty quickly to get the legs moving which seems like it wouldn't be very attractive. Also, the HT ran right on top of the water. I kind of figured it would go below the surface.
Posted on 4/1/11 at 10:17 am to LSUFan3434
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personally when it comes to soft plastic frogs, the ribbit is a much better choice than the horny toads. hts are a lot thicker, making it harder for a good hook set.
Sometimes they want the horney toad rather then the ribbit. Last year I was wrecking their little green asses on a horney toad, but they wouldn't touch a ribbit. Gotta give em what they want, not what you want them to want.
Posted on 4/1/11 at 10:29 am to INFIDEL
For the horny toad vs the ribbit, i find that the wind generally dictates the bait they prefer. If you have small waves the ribbit makes more of a disturbance on the top and they will hit it better, if the water is dead calm and slick as glass the subtle action of the toad is much better. (at least where i fish)
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
Posted on 4/1/11 at 10:31 am to computerguy
When I'm frog fishing I never use anything less than 50 lb. braid, trust me if you get a good fish to hit a frog you need the braid....if you want to use the same rod for other topwaters simply tie a mono leader to the braid, it works better than just mono or just braid.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 10:44 pm to logomount
Well guys, sorry to dig up this old dinosaur, but I finally got a legit frog setup and had some success with it. We got some serious storms in north LA the last few days. As a result, the water I fish had a lot of floating debris on it. I tried the horny toad with no success yesterday. Finally got some good 30lb braid to put on my old calcutta 100 and rigged it with a white spro frog. Caught two decent ones and boy was it fun. Makes me wish I had a body of water like B&B does because it's a hell of a lot more fun than a soft plastic. Thanks for your help.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 10:49 pm to puffulufogous
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it's a hell of a lot more fun than a soft plastic.
I'll second that one
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