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re: Joe Frazier vs Mike Tyson (Who would win?)

Posted on 2/15/11 at 10:39 pm to
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 2/15/11 at 10:39 pm to
Here is what Ali thought.

While I still think Tyson would knock Ali out. . .and I don't think Foreman could land enough on him before Tyson got inside. . .

. . .it is still classic Ali.

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It's from the book, "The Lost Legacy of Muhammad Ali" by Tom Hauser.




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This was when he had parkinsons. Here is the piece he wrote, in it's entirety, including the authors note.


"This Is the piece (referenced on page 8(Above)that I wrote for Ali prior to our meeting in October 1988. Muhammad had respect for Mike Tyson as a fighter, but considered him beatable. It was his view that Iron Mike would have knocked out Joe Frazier, but George Foreman would K.O. him. Even when Tyson was undefeated, Ali told me. "Tyson is predictable, the way he moves his head. He has fast hands, but he's slow on his feet and my hands were faster then his. The way to beat Tyson is with a fast jab, a hard right hand; and if he hits you, you have to be able to take a punch."
Still, many commentators saw things differently. And I sensed that Muhammad was a bit miffed by the view that Iron Mike would have beaten him. Thus, I wasn't surprised when my telephone rang on the night of February 11, 1990, moments after James "Buster" Douglas dethroned Mike Tyson in Tokyo. "What do you think people will say now when asked who's better, Mike Tyson or me?" Muhammad asked rhetorically. "Buster Douglas saved me the trouble of coming back and whupping Mike Tyson myself."


Now, the actual piece.


People are weeping and crying all the time these days, because Mike Tyson is heavyweight champion of the world. He's a bully and no one can beat him. But that don't mean nuthin'. They said Sonny Liston was unbeatable, and I beat him. They said George Foreman was unbeatable and I beat him. They say Tyson is unbeatable, but I'm coming back. I got a time machine, and I'm coming back to whup Mike Tyson.
Mike Tyson is to ugly to be champion. He's got gold teeth. He's got bald spots all over his head. I called Joe Frazier "The Gorilla", but next to Tyson, Frazier was a beautifull woman. Everyone I fought, I had names for, Sonny Liston was "The Bear". George Chuvalo was "The Washer Woman" Floyd Patterson was "The Rabbit". George Foreman was "The Mummy." Mike Tyson is ugly; ugly like King Kong, so I'm calling him "Kong".
And Tyson Is nuthin'. He never fought no one. He fought Larry Holmes when Holmes was an old man, Trevor Berbick when Berbick was a crazy old man, he fought Tyrell Biggs and Tyrell was an amateur. Micheal Spinks was a light heavyweight. Tony Tubbs, he was an embarassment. Bonecrusher Smith, he lost the first nine rounds against Frank Bruno. Tyson never fought Sonny Liston, never fought Joe Frazier, he never fought George Foreman like I did. Fighting all of them in their prime.
So I'm coming back to whup Mike Tyson. It's the biggest fight in the history of time. Bigger then David and Goliath; bigger then Napolean against England and Russia. Too big for home television. Too big for closed circuit,. They're putting the fight on special 3-D closed circuit, with cameras and lenses like you ain't never seen before.
And the whole world is holding it's breath. Everyone's rooting for me, but they're saying , Muhammad Ali, he's just a man and now he's fighting Kong. They're saying Mike Tyson is to strong, too mean, he hit's too hard.
Here's how it goes.
Round One:It'll be all over in one; that's what they're saying. And Tyson comes out for the kill, Ali's dancing, jabbing. Pop-pop-pop-pop. Tyson swings---WHOOSH---hit's nuthin' but air.
Pop-pop-pop-pop.
WHOOSH. Tyson hit's air.
Pop-pop-pop-pop. At the end of the round the Television people are adding up their stats and they can't believe it. Muhammad Ali: 107 Jabs, 92 landed. Mike Tyson: 40 punches and he didn't land one.
Round Two:It's just like round one.
Pop-pop-pop-pop.
WHOOSH.
Pop-pop-pop-pop.
WHOOSH.
Ali is pretty. The crowds going wild. ALI! ALI!
Tyson lands a punch but it didn't do no harm.
Round Three:Ali's landing right hands. It's early in the fight, and already Tysons left eye is starting to close. Women and children are holding their breath. Ali looks good. He's better then good. Muhammad Ali is the greatest, but there's nine more rounds to go, and Tyson is getting dirty now. He's butting and thumbing, throwing elbows and hitting low.
Round Four:Pop-pop-pop-pop. Ali is still dancing. Floats like a butterfly, but he sting's like a bee. Pop-pop-pop-pop. Tyson is bleeding; the left eye. He's cut and the blood is flowing down. The experts are shaking their heads. Muhammad Ali is making Tyson look like a child.
Round Five:Tyson is taking a bad whuppin'. The crowds going wild. ALI! ALI! ALI! Tysons getting tired. Ali's talking to him, asking "Who's the greatest?" Tyson won't answer so Ali hit's him four-five-six right hands.
Round Six:It's the Ali shuffle, two billion people round the world cheerin and huggin, weeping with joy. It's the real Ali. Not the Ali who lost to Larry Holmes; not the Ali you thought was old. This is Muhammad Ali, who destroyed Zora Folley; who done in Cleveland Williams. ALI! ALI!
Round Seven:Tysons gold teeth got knocked out into the crowd, you can see his mother in law run after them. The crowds in a state of histomania, Ali's punching so fast now, no one can hear the pops. It's P-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p. Ali winds up for a bolo punch, the crowd is praying. They're pleading, don't take no chances; don't get careless with Tyson. But Ali's still winding up for the Bolo, Tyson's moving closer. Tyson is getting ready, he's gunna kill Ali. The crowd holds it's breath, Tyson leaps with a left hook. But Muhammad Ali throws a right hand, It's faster then a speeding bullet, faster then the punch that knocked down Sonny Liston. The eye can't see it, except with a super slow-mo replay camera.
TYSON IS DOWN!
Tyson get's up at seven.
Ding! There's the bell.
Now Tyson is mad, he's embarassed. He's been humiliated. He's coming out for the next round determined to put Ali down.
Round Eight: Tyson charges out of the corner, throwing punches like wild, He's spitting blood. There's fire in his eyes. He's doing everything he can. And... OH NO! Ali is tired. Ali has stopped dancing. After seven rounds with Kong, Ali's legs are gone. Ali's moving back. Tyson comes in for the Kill. Ali is in the corner.; he's in trouble. Tyson is ugly, He's a monster that has to be fed, and Muhammad Ali is the monsters meal.
Tyson with a left. Tyson with a right. The whole world is covering it's eyes.
Wait a minute ! ! !
IT'S THE ROPE-A-DOPE ! ! !
Muhammad Ali tricked the montser, and now Ali is coming back strong.
Ali with a left. Ali with a right. It's Muhammad Ali, the greatest fighter of all time.
AND TYSON IS DOWN!
The count is one, two...
Tysons eyes are closed!
Three, four...
He's not moving!
Five. Six..
We have a brand new champion.
Seven.. Eight..
This is the greatest moment of all time!
Nine, Ten!!!
IT'S ALL OVER! IT'S ALL OVER! THE TYRANT IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE TRUE KING!


I dunno about anyone else, but I had rocky going through my head reading that.

As for my personal opinion?

Muhammad could beat Tyson even with the parkinsons.



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This post was edited on 2/15/11 at 10:41 pm
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/16/11 at 8:56 am to
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I wouldn't bet against Tyson in his prime against anyone.



This right here. Sorry but Tyson in his prime(19ish) was the best I have ever seen and on his way to becoming the best ever if not for the head case he became and with the people he surrounded himself with which done him in. I don't care how good of a chin you had, you could not take the power of the punch that he threw, in his prime. Foreman may have been the only other that threw a comparable power punch. I know, I know, you say, well Ali took Foreman's best, Foreman never got a great shot on Ali, then again, maybe Tyson would not have either. Boy, would be fun to watch them all in there prime in a fight off.
Posted by DelU249
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Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 2/16/11 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

The way to beat Tyson is with a fast jab, a hard right hand; and if he hits you, you have to be able to take a punch."


everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth
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