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Want to see what a bear raid looks like?

Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:41 pm
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:41 pm
Posted by John Merlyn
Member since Oct 2009
2203 posts
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:53 pm to
Yikes
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 7:53 pm
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/3/11 at 8:08 pm to
wow
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:13 pm to
I'm on my phone so to pull up the company's filing history would be a pain in the arse. Was this an RTO? ADR? Or did they IPO?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:01 pm to
I don't know much about the company. CCME was recommended to me by my broker. I told him I'm suspect of Chinese companies and I'll just keep and eye on it. I already own one Chinese company AERL and that's enough Chinese exposure for me. Chinese companies, in my experience, seem to be targets for bear raids, rightly or wrongly. During my brief readings of the company I'm pretty sure they're an RTO. It looks like it's going to be a very volatile stock the next few weeks/months due to allegations of fraud and company law suites against Citron and Muddy Waters (two researchers claiming CCME is a fraud). Reading the Yahoo CCME message board, there are a lot of pissed off longs. I've seen this song and dance before with other Chinese companies. This is prolly a legit company but the damage is done and the shorts are in control. The only way to break the shorts is to bring in new buyers. I don't believe that's going to happen unless positive company news pops up. I'll be watching.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:11 pm to
I'll look into it tomorrow. It was probably an RTO. No Chinese RTOs should be invested in. Even the legitimate ones like SORL will be tainted each time one of these lawsuits is filed.

I made a lot of money on the legitimate ones in the past, but the group as a whole is taking a lot of heat from the SEC right now deeming none of them safe enough for valued dollars.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:31 pm to
That sounds like the definition of an imperfect market and a buying opportunity, assuming you truly believe its a "legit" company (and the valuation and financials make some level of sense of course).
Posted by tigerfan4444
Member since Apr 2008
702 posts
Posted on 2/4/11 at 12:05 am to
I think the author of the latest negative piece on CCME placed a value of no more than $2.00 for CCME.

I was in the Feb 19 put options earlier in the week and closed the position. That profit was certainly modest compared to what I could have had holding on until today.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 2/4/11 at 8:07 am to
quote:

I was in the Feb 19 put options earlier in the week and closed the position. That profit was certainly modest compared to what I could have had holding on until today.


When the initial hit piece came out the stock went from ~19 to sub 17 and my first thought was that this might be a good entry point. My decision to potentially enter into this stock was solely based on my stock broker's recommendation and a previous company audit by Deloitte and Touche. Instead of buying the stock outright I bought 15 Feb 19 calls for 75 cents per. This was purely a speculative play on my part. I got out at 55 cents per yesterday before the last bear raid around 12 pm. Those same Feb 19 are trading now between 10 and 15 cents per. I feel pretty happy that I preserved a good part of my speculative capital even though I lost money.

On the other hand you were on the right side of the trade with puts and made money. You're upset because you got out too early , however making money and I'm happy because I exited my long postion before the big crash yesterday but lost money nonetheless. I find that funny.
This post was edited on 2/4/11 at 8:16 am
Posted by John Merlyn
Member since Oct 2009
2203 posts
Posted on 2/4/11 at 11:41 am to
Up quite a bit right now.
Posted by auditu
Member since Aug 2010
52 posts
Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:51 pm to
CCME came public through a SPAC vehicle. The story is well known amongst value investors and everybody and their momma that conducts deep level diligence suspected it was a fraud.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 2/4/11 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

CCME came public through a SPAC vehicle. The story is well known amongst value investors and everybody and their momma that conducts deep level diligence suspected it was a fraud.


Could you please provide a few links with more detailed information?

TIA

Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 2/4/11 at 10:28 pm to
UPDATE 2-China MediaExpress shares plummet on fraud allegation

LINK
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:34 pm to
Can we keep this updated? I would also like to know what "deep level due diligence" is. Do you just mean research, they really aren't the same thing. Auditu, since you obviously followed this, how do you think the recent accounting changes in china, and specifically in hk, have affected this story?
Posted by auditu
Member since Aug 2010
52 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 6:06 pm to
What does HK have to do with this company? Nothing. It's a US listed company and is thus subject to the reporting standards set forth by US GAAP and the exchange on which it lists. Its operations are based in mainland China.

HK, by the way, is already a well-developed financial market, like ours.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:04 pm to
Read the company's filings dating back to the origination of China Media (through a SPAC vehicle as someone's pointed out). I'd bet my bottom dollar you'll find some shady stuff going on that the average investor wouldn't pick up on.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10696 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:39 pm to
I did some reading and it's estimated that investors have lost > $35B in Chinese small cap RTO's. Why bother with this segment? I don't trust the accuracy of US GAAP filings for most public companies as is.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:45 pm to
I completely agree. I think some of the legitimate IPOs/ADRs are severely undervalued just by virtue of being associated with these other turds. I would recommend only investing in those if you can stomach China.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12264 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 2:12 pm to
You have to be insane to invest in these US listed Chinese based companies.

What exact legal rights to the assets do you think you have (that are enforcable) in China?
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 2/8/11 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

HK, by the way, is already a well-developed financial market, like ours.




You don't say. I didn't realize it was a us listing, sorry. Can you answer the rest of my questions?
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