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Posted on 2/3/11 at 5:41 pm to Ash Williams
I just reserved a spot at Wonder Labs. He sounds like a really nice guy who knows what he is doing.
I'm excited to see the results. Drop off date - May 1st.
KJS, do you have any thoughts on WL?
Wonder Lab
I'm excited to see the results. Drop off date - May 1st.
KJS, do you have any thoughts on WL?
Wonder Lab
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:00 pm to TrueTiger07
Bart is a great guy and a great trainer. His dogs always do well in the tests and events I've run with him. They are happy dogs when they are around him which is paramount. If the dog isn't having fun, he's not going to learn very well. Your dog's in good hands I promise. May is a good start date because its after the Grand (HRC Grand Hunt Test). Most well known pro's are gonna be focusing on their advanced dogs qualifying, and getting ready for the event in April. Post Grand is when they focus hard on the young uns.
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Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:10 pm to KJS
Thanks for posting. I'll never do hunt test, but I do want a efficient dog in the blind. 
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:21 pm to TrueTiger07
Throw Water Dog in the trash, outdated methods compared to what has been learned since the writing of that book.
If you're looking for a good book pick up "10 minute retriever" by Amy Dahl.
As KJS mentioned, check out Bill Hillman. He has a great puppy video that really shows how to get your pup going before the 5-6month old age when you send him off. Interaction and keeping things fun is paramount.
My trainer worked under Danny Farmer for quite awhile before he started his own kennel. Danny is a true FT guy though so if you're just looking into hunt tests or gun dog all his stuff may not be for you.
If you're looking for a good book pick up "10 minute retriever" by Amy Dahl.
As KJS mentioned, check out Bill Hillman. He has a great puppy video that really shows how to get your pup going before the 5-6month old age when you send him off. Interaction and keeping things fun is paramount.
My trainer worked under Danny Farmer for quite awhile before he started his own kennel. Danny is a true FT guy though so if you're just looking into hunt tests or gun dog all his stuff may not be for you.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:38 pm to Vol Fan in the Bayou
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KJS, you mention the example of a gator. While i don't disagree that an e-collar can get the dogs attention he still has to want to come back. It is all in the training. I can assure you that if I hit my whistle three times my dog is hauling arse back to the blind and it wasn't because of the collar. It was because of the training. Like I said earlier, if I would have nicked him and the gator was going to the duck my dog would have just sat there confused because he would have thought he screwed up.
I have had labs all my life and have never had a lab that would come back if it was going after a wounded duck unless a collar was used. It's great your dog does that but I don't think that is the norm with most dogs (at least from my experience with my dogs and other people's dogs). My dogs always came back immediately when they were nicked and told "here". But I do realize all dogs are different. I just love the control my collar gives me with my dog. If I'm paddling down the canal and a nutria swims out in front of me, I know my dog will stay put because of the collar. And I don't care how good a dog is trained, if it is an aggressive/alpha male type dog most of the time he is going to want to chase that nutria, that wounded duck (even if there is a gator there), etc.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:42 pm to TrueTiger07
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just reserved a spot at Wonder Labs. He sounds like a really nice guy who knows what he is doing.
I'm excited to see the results. Drop off date - May 1st.
KJS, do you have any thoughts on WL?
I have had two labs trained by Bart and both of them turned out great. My last dog I also bought form him as a puppy was a great hunting dog and pet. He passed away 2 years ago. It will be hard to get another one like him. He used to dive to the bottom of my 9 foot pool to fetch things on the bottom of the pool and had no fear of water what so ever. He used to jump off of a 6-7foot bridge by a canal to fetch at only 5 months.
He did away with that yellow blood line though. Not sure why. Now he only has black labs I think.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:43 pm to tigerzballzdeep
True but the basics are the same. Ashamed but proud to say Danny and Ryan have beaten me a bunch. Farmer is no doubt Michael Jordan of dogs. When your dog is giving a 100%, Farmer finds a way to get his to give 101%. I think the man was whelped in a litter, and not human born. His training seminars are awesome.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:48 pm to TrueTiger07
its 20 min a day if you dont have that you shouldnt own a dog.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 9:07 am to KJS
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Farmer is no doubt Michael Jordan of dogs. When your dog is giving a 100%, Farmer finds a way to get his to give 101%. I think the man was whelped in a litter, and not human born. His training seminars are awesome
more like the bear bryant...
Posted on 2/4/11 at 9:07 am to JasonL79
I remember bart when he first got started.. and was still coaching... way way way back
great trainer
great trainer
Posted on 2/4/11 at 9:11 am to choupiquesushi
and actually all the FT stuff.. does at some point in time come into play hunting....
I hear guys all the time... yeah but we had 3 birds fall too far for the dog to see... or outside of the distance she can handle...
or.. my favorite.. my dog was swimming after a deadfall while the two cripples got away...
it's kinda like saying if you have your choice between a national guardsman or a navy SEAL which one do you choose to cover your arse? nothing against the guardsman....
but my dog picks up many ducks that other folks I hunt with lose.... or couldn't get.... every weekend.. heck... and that's just my gsp
I hear guys all the time... yeah but we had 3 birds fall too far for the dog to see... or outside of the distance she can handle...
or.. my favorite.. my dog was swimming after a deadfall while the two cripples got away...
it's kinda like saying if you have your choice between a national guardsman or a navy SEAL which one do you choose to cover your arse? nothing against the guardsman....
but my dog picks up many ducks that other folks I hunt with lose.... or couldn't get.... every weekend.. heck... and that's just my gsp
Posted on 2/4/11 at 10:08 am to TrueTiger07
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ETA: I really won't have time to train her myself because I will be studying for the bar.
Thanks.
I know I am going to catch it from some for this, but if you dont have time to train it, are you going to have time to reinforce the training? One of my favorite quotes is from UCLA coach John Wooden "If you dont have time to do it right, when are you going to have time to do it again?"
Not saying this is you because you are getting opinions and making decisions based on what you can gather but to many people want "instant" dog. They dont give themselves honest answers to questions such as Do I have the time? Do I have the patience? do I have the money for proper care? and never admitt that the real reason they want a dog is because it looks cool. In the end they wind up with an unstable dog that makes the owner and itself unhappy. When a horse wins the Kentucky Derby ever notice that the trainer gets the glory. Its because he did the work. The owner just had the money. I'm not trying to put down training schools because I do understand the need for them, but personally I dont want to own someone elses work.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 10:21 am to 4nmylifetime
Very true, its a work in progress. It sad to see folks pay thousands for a fine finished retriever, then let the training slide. But, that's what pros call job security. I've had several dogs picked up the week before duck season, and dropped off the week after.
Choupique you are exactly right. My dog picked up several ducks and geese this year well over 300 yards away. Most would've gotten away lame if it werent for the dog. I swear if he could shoot a gun and drive a truck, he wouldn't need me for spit. I feel like he thinks that when I miss.
Choupique you are exactly right. My dog picked up several ducks and geese this year well over 300 yards away. Most would've gotten away lame if it werent for the dog. I swear if he could shoot a gun and drive a truck, he wouldn't need me for spit. I feel like he thinks that when I miss.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 10:24 am to JasonL79
How many dogs have I trained?
5 and working on number 6. One was a swamp collie, the others labs. One yellow, 4 black, and now my first chocolate. Got help from a pro/friend of mine, even paid for a couple of weeks to because I counldn't get past a particular bump in the road. Please read Bill Tarrants, "Hey pup fetch it up", before you make any decisions on collar training. I don't train for a living, just for my own personal use. And somebody above said, its a feeling of satisfaction, he ain't lying.
5 and working on number 6. One was a swamp collie, the others labs. One yellow, 4 black, and now my first chocolate. Got help from a pro/friend of mine, even paid for a couple of weeks to because I counldn't get past a particular bump in the road. Please read Bill Tarrants, "Hey pup fetch it up", before you make any decisions on collar training. I don't train for a living, just for my own personal use. And somebody above said, its a feeling of satisfaction, he ain't lying.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 6:15 am to 4nmylifetime
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ETA: I really won't have time to train her myself because I will be studying for the bar.
Thanks.
I know I am going to catch it from some for this, but if you dont have time to train it, are you going to have time to reinforce the training? One of my favorite quotes is from UCLA coach John Wooden "If you dont have time to do it right, when are you going to have time to do it again?"
I would love to be able to train my dog but I leave for work before daylight and usually come home after dark or right before dark. It's not a whole lot of time to train and training in the dark is not feasible to me. I reinforce the training and try to visit the trainer and train with him as much as I can.
With my past dogs, once they were trained they usually didn't forget. I just needed to reinforce things every time I trained with them or if I didn't train them for a month or so, they would just need a little brushing up. I know with my last dog, he never forgot. I never hunted him his last 2 years of his life because of arthritis and eventually bone cancer and he still rembered hand signals and commands after 6 months to a year of not doing it.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 9:26 am to 4nmylifetime
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I know I am going to catch it from some for this, but if you dont have time to train it, are you going to have time to reinforce the training?
This is a good point. What I have found though is that the reinforcement is a lot easier than the initial training.
For me, I know I give my lab a break after hunting season. When it starts to warm up, usually around the first of March, I start working with my dog again. We usually spend 20 minutes 5 days a week working. Then, toward the end of summer I send him for "spring training" with my trainer in Lecompte to really get him ready.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 10:05 am to JasonL79
I take turns bringing mine to work get in some light work at lunch
I spend the first month after the season expelling bad habits during the season
And make some tweaks if we are gonna go goose or quail hunting
Oddly our gap has turned into a decent goose dog
Long way to go on catching the chessie though
I spend the first month after the season expelling bad habits during the season
And make some tweaks if we are gonna go goose or quail hunting
Oddly our gap has turned into a decent goose dog
Long way to go on catching the chessie though
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