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In the NC Game or Not-The Fix is In
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:31 pm
This is a serious problem for LSU, and the fix is already in. Boise State and TCU never earned a chance at the national title and yet they were ranked in the top four down to the wire. They simply did not earn it however talented they were. First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition) and did not have to undergo grueling, significant bowl-type games such as occur most weeks in, for example, the SEC and the Big 10 (to a lesser extent). Second, does anyone believe that after playing 10 games against one another, Boise State would have beaten Auburn as many as five times? Three times? Once? Maybe once. TCU? Hard to say precisely how many games TCU would have won. Five? Not a chance despite Auburn hypothetically losing one SEC game.
The root of the problem is bias grounded in the principle of nondiscrimination. Boise State and TCU have been fielding excellent teams for some years now, and they have been discriminated against because of their backgrounds, their conferences. (The dominant Media thinks in terms of discrimination, an evil idea to the Media.) It just isn’t fair, so thinks the Media, that establishment conference leaders (in the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10) are better. The unprincipled exception to the nondiscrimination principle is affirmative action, which the Media cannot admit undermines the primary principle. Therefore, the Media couched affirmative-action type arguments in favor of Boise State and TCU in terms of, “We’re searching for the best team .” Or the Media used the root “deserve” and gave some rational though inadequate reasons
The root of the problem is bias grounded in the principle of nondiscrimination. Boise State and TCU have been fielding excellent teams for some years now, and they have been discriminated against because of their backgrounds, their conferences. (The dominant Media thinks in terms of discrimination, an evil idea to the Media.) It just isn’t fair, so thinks the Media, that establishment conference leaders (in the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10) are better. The unprincipled exception to the nondiscrimination principle is affirmative action, which the Media cannot admit undermines the primary principle. Therefore, the Media couched affirmative-action type arguments in favor of Boise State and TCU in terms of, “We’re searching for the best team .” Or the Media used the root “deserve” and gave some rational though inadequate reasons
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:40 pm to TigerPaul2
good thoughts tigerpaul. good writing.
but, it's just one game at a time. it worked out this year and it will again.
the press has tried to hold the sec down for 100 years and now w/ the bcs, the sec/lsu is doing ok.
somehow the bullshite gets washed away.
but, it's just one game at a time. it worked out this year and it will again.
the press has tried to hold the sec down for 100 years and now w/ the bcs, the sec/lsu is doing ok.
somehow the bullshite gets washed away.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:40 pm to TigerPaul2
Dude, let's just get past Feb 2nd.....OK?
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:54 pm to TigerPaul2
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they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition)
Simply not true. Seeing that TCU is joining the Big Eeast in 2012 I think they'd love to be in a BCS Conference and I'm sure Boise would as well. They arent part of those conferences because they werent invited.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at Paul, but anyway I'd like to share some of Mark Cubans blog posts on the BCS and his ideas for a playoff system. Not sure if any of you have read these but they are pretty interesting.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:05 am to D011ahbi11
Boise state has horrible education and no other sports. They will always be a mid-major.
I am sure xiv would have something to say but with Louisiana tech looking to build their research facility, I would bet on them getting a big invite before boise.(disclaimer: never said tech would move up just that the research facilities would help since big conferences like that)
I am sure xiv would have something to say but with Louisiana tech looking to build their research facility, I would bet on them getting a big invite before boise.(disclaimer: never said tech would move up just that the research facilities would help since big conferences like that)
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:14 am to The Eric
I never said they deserved to be in a Bcs conference. I just said it's not really their choice to be in the WAC.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:22 am to TigerPaul2
Way out of line with the veiled discrimination analogy. Your point could have been valid if it were not for disdainful anti-racial equality rant. This post is a total fail.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:51 am to DocJerome
I don't think Boise or TCU chose to be in the conference they are in. TCU is going to the Big Least so that is a step up. I am sure Boise would jump at the chance to be in the Big 10 or 12. They are just playing the cards that they are dealt. Boise plays BCS out of conference games (Oregon and Va Tech) so they are not skipping competition.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 1:10 am to TigerPaul2
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First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition)
I stopped reading after that bit right there.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:29 pm to TigerPaul2
Glad to oblige. Nondiscrimination means higher quality programs will not be allowed to exclude lower quality programs.
The post was not about whether Boise State was invited to join a major conference or whether it has continually refused to play several upper tier teams every year regardless of whether the games were played at home or away. The post was about the threat that the dominant Media’s primary principle of nondiscrimination poses to teams such as LSU, which plays at least six upper-tier teams away every year. Every year Boise State has the opportunity to play several upper-tier teams away but refuses to do so.
And the Big East is not what one thinks of as a major conference. In my view, every conference should have a minimum of 12 members and a playoff game to qualify for a BCS bowl. If you want to run with the big boys, you have to be willing to lose. No guaranteed outcomes.
The more I read about a playoff system among Division I teams, the less attractive a playoff system appears. So I gave up on the idea some years ago. It is an intellectual morass. There are huge problems to overcome. A starting point is the BCS’s own site. (My idea, by the way, lessens the justifications for a playoff system.)
And as always, anyone that opposes nondiscrimination as a primary principle will be called names. So be careful of agreeing with me. It is helpful for LSU fans (and the public in general) to understand why the talking heads and other members of the establishment keep voting for the Boise State’s and TCU’s. Nondiscrimination is pervasive.
The post was not about whether Boise State was invited to join a major conference or whether it has continually refused to play several upper tier teams every year regardless of whether the games were played at home or away. The post was about the threat that the dominant Media’s primary principle of nondiscrimination poses to teams such as LSU, which plays at least six upper-tier teams away every year. Every year Boise State has the opportunity to play several upper-tier teams away but refuses to do so.
And the Big East is not what one thinks of as a major conference. In my view, every conference should have a minimum of 12 members and a playoff game to qualify for a BCS bowl. If you want to run with the big boys, you have to be willing to lose. No guaranteed outcomes.
The more I read about a playoff system among Division I teams, the less attractive a playoff system appears. So I gave up on the idea some years ago. It is an intellectual morass. There are huge problems to overcome. A starting point is the BCS’s own site. (My idea, by the way, lessens the justifications for a playoff system.)
And as always, anyone that opposes nondiscrimination as a primary principle will be called names. So be careful of agreeing with me. It is helpful for LSU fans (and the public in general) to understand why the talking heads and other members of the establishment keep voting for the Boise State’s and TCU’s. Nondiscrimination is pervasive.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:33 pm to TigerPaul2
Dude if you don't think Boise would JUMP at the shot to be in any geographically appropriate BCS conference...you're nuts.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 12:58 am to St Augustine
The only geographically appropriate conference is the PAC12 and Boise just doesn't make the cut as far as being a research institution or many other academic standards that other PAC12 teams have to meet. Boise has a 30,000 seat stadium. Do you want that non-payday? We don't either and our stadiums are smaller than yours for the most part. Boise won't ever be part of the PAC12.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 1:00 am to TigerPaul2
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First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition)
Actually in the past year both have tried to move into stronger conferences, they can't just do it overnight (and Boise fricked it up but that's another matter).
Posted on 1/19/11 at 10:20 pm to Mephistopheles
There is nothing complex about scheduling tough teams. You simply agree to meet them face to face on their own turf. Become an independent, if that is what it takes. It is a refusal to compete. It is not rocket science. Horrific blue turf is not going to get you anywhere anyhow.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 11:14 pm to LSUbrees
Boise plays BCS out of conference games (Oregon and Va Tech) so they are not skipping competition.
Thats one game a year. Try playing 8 games against SEC teams. Then they'd have something to talk about.
Thats one game a year. Try playing 8 games against SEC teams. Then they'd have something to talk about.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 11:44 pm to TigerPaul2
If they CHOOSE to play in poor conferences, then why are they both changing? If you aren't aware, getting into the SEC is not as simple as wishing to do so. Lame statement.
What does playing 10 games against one another have to do with anything? It never happens and is irrelevant. You get ONE game. That's why all aspects are important: offense, defense, ST, coaching, game planning, etc.
Auburn would have murdered Boise in one game, yes. In an SEC grind Boise would have a losing effort, yes. Don't make irrelevant statements. TCU would fare better, but they would definitely not be undefeated.
What does playing 10 games against one another have to do with anything? It never happens and is irrelevant. You get ONE game. That's why all aspects are important: offense, defense, ST, coaching, game planning, etc.
Auburn would have murdered Boise in one game, yes. In an SEC grind Boise would have a losing effort, yes. Don't make irrelevant statements. TCU would fare better, but they would definitely not be undefeated.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 11:48 pm to OldSarge38
The fundamental facts are being taught, thanks to Sarge and the others. Hopefully, the larger point will be understood, even if not accepted.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:15 am to blackjackjackson
A belated thank you to BlackJack. The times they have been "a changed." Nondiscrimination is the primary principle today. History aint't going to wash away the errors of today. Knowledge of history and fighting back is your only chance.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:11 am to TigerPaul2
TigerPaul2, what you fail to realize is that more often than not, the middie-of-the-week is ranked higher in the computers than in the human polls. So, if the fix is in, it's a fix against the schools you mention. This year, TCU was tied for #2 in the computers, but they were #3 in the polls. That means that the only reason that they weren't in the BCS title game was because voters thought that Oregon deserved it more. Where's the fix?
Year - Top-rated Non-AQ school - Poll avg. - Computer avg.
2010 - TCU - 3 - 2
2009 - TCU - 3 - 5
2008 - Utah - 7 - 5
2007 - Hawaii - 10 - 14
2006 - Boise State - 9 - 7
2005 - TCU - 21.5 - 17
2004 - Utah - 9.5 - 4
2003 - NIU - 10 - 8.5
Only twice in the past eight seasons has the top middie been ranked higher in the polls than in the computers. Sorry, but your point is not well thought-out.
Year - Top-rated Non-AQ school - Poll avg. - Computer avg.
2010 - TCU - 3 - 2
2009 - TCU - 3 - 5
2008 - Utah - 7 - 5
2007 - Hawaii - 10 - 14
2006 - Boise State - 9 - 7
2005 - TCU - 21.5 - 17
2004 - Utah - 9.5 - 4
2003 - NIU - 10 - 8.5
Only twice in the past eight seasons has the top middie been ranked higher in the polls than in the computers. Sorry, but your point is not well thought-out.
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