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why crowton wasn't fired last year
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:04 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:04 am
knee jerk reactions and hasty decisions are a sign of a poor manager. i've had over 25 yrs of experience in management so that's where i'm coming from. when a subordinate has poor results in one measuring period (in this case, a season), you don't fire them at that time. EVERYONE struggles sometime in their careers. you identify the reasons, set up a plan to correct the situation and then require the subordinate to improve according to plan. especially if the employee has a record of past success (like crowtons 2007), you give them opportunity to set things straight. if, during this period of trial, the manager fully loses confidence in the subordinates ability to achieve the required level of success, it is time to part ways. that is why i believe that at a school like LSU with our lofty expectations (and pay scales), this is gary crowton's last year. hell, texas is 4-4 right now and no one (except some of their rantards) is calling for browns or muschamps head. next yr may be different.
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Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:05 am to LSU GrandDad
I can see why you're a brilliant, wise manager. Thanks for the insight.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:07 am to LSU GrandDad
Would you fire him after this season?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:10 am to LSU GrandDad
Would you have kept Malvetto for another year?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:12 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
knee jerk reactions and hasty decisions are a sign of a poor manager. i've had over 25 yrs of experience in management so that's where i'm coming from. when a subordinate has poor results in one measuring period (in this case, a season), you don't fire them at that time. EVERYONE struggles sometime in their careers. you identify the reasons, set up a plan to correct the situation and then require the subordinate to improve according to plan. especially if the employee has a record of past success (like crowtons 2007), you give them opportunity to set things straight. if, during this period of trial, the manager fully loses confidence in the subordinates ability to achieve the required level of success, it is time to part ways. that is why i believe that at a school like LSU with our lofty expectations (and pay scales), this is gary crowton's last year. hell, texas is 4-4 right now and no one (except some of their rantards) is calling for browns or muschamps head. next yr may be different.
So you would've kept the Co DCs last season?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:18 am to josh336
quote:
quote:
knee jerk reactions and hasty decisions are a sign of a poor manager. i've had over 25 yrs of experience in management so that's where i'm coming from. when a subordinate has poor results in one measuring period (in this case, a season), you don't fire them at that time. EVERYONE struggles sometime in their careers. you identify the reasons, set up a plan to correct the situation and then require the subordinate to improve according to plan. especially if the employee has a record of past success (like crowtons 2007), you give them opportunity to set things straight. if, during this period of trial, the manager fully loses confidence in the subordinates ability to achieve the required level of success, it is time to part ways. that is why i believe that at a school like LSU with our lofty expectations (and pay scales), this is gary crowton's last year. hell, texas is 4-4 right now and no one (except some of their rantards) is calling for browns or muschamps head. next yr may be different.
So you would've kept the Co DCs last season?
Boom.
If Gramps had been coach LSU would have gone 4-8 last year with Malveto and Crowton running out of batteries.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:21 am to LSU GrandDad
Texas was in the bcs title game last season gramps, and we are in year 3 after a national championship. How many years does it take to rebuild?
Are you comparing your management position to a position that is way above your pay grade?
Are you comparing your management position to a position that is way above your pay grade?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:24 am to LSU GrandDad
At what point do you look at a guys past trends and see the same pattern? I wouldn't have made the hire in the first place with his past results.
Just saying that a mans track record means alot in current situations.
Just saying that a mans track record means alot in current situations.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:25 am to willeteal
Boom?
You didnt read the part about having past success, did you?
You didnt read the part about having past success, did you?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:30 am to 1p56
Reading comprehension and reason are in short supply. 
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:30 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
LSU GrandDad
Obviously in "Union" management.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:38 am to josh336
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so you would've kept the co DC's last season?
no, i would not have. the situation was completely different, esp the part about past successes at that position and esp because of the reasons for non-success. last yr, there were bona fide reasons that our offense struggled; OL and new QB's (attrition and RP's departure) that were not directly attributed to the OC's doing. this year, the story is different. our offense is not only struggling, but is regressing and at times is dysfunctional. supposedly, miles is overruling crowton's play calling. if that is true, that is a tell-tell sign he has lost his confidence. you and others can dis my experience and pay scale all you won't but i will put it up against yours any day. i ran the southeast region for a new york company and had to become an expert at HR to survive. i'm sorry my common sense explanation as to a possible reason why crowton wasn't let go last year and will be this year prompted such juvenile reactions. there is nothing wrong with being young and inexperienced (we all go thru that) but it really is wise to know it.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:41 am to LSU GrandDad
knee jerk reactions: bad
repeated failure: good
gotcha
repeated failure: good
gotcha
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:42 am to OU812
quote:
Obviously in a "union" management.
nope. guess your definition of obvious is based on your own life experiences (or lack thereof). mine was a sales organization where performance directly dictated one's paycheck. no fat allowed in that type of scenerio.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:43 am to OU812
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LSU GrandDad
Don't take this personally, but just trying to provide a different angle. Say i'm your top employee, your "go-to-guy", but i have a gangbang with one of your female family members. I'm not talking about picking her up at a bar/social gathering. I'm talking about stuff people pay to see. then there's video and possible internet posting. majority of your friends and family know about it. how does this affect your perception of me "as a worker" and how do you honestly not have a knee-jerk reaction and fire me?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:49 am to BabySam
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BabySam
oh yes, BabySam, you would be fired immediately. it's called a violation of ethics and cause for immediate termination no matter whose family the female is from. production is irrelevant in that scenerio. and i am not taking it personally either, but i am struggling to see the relevance of your post, at least as to how it related to the crowton situation. is crowton gang banging someone in miles family? also, is crowton miles top employee?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:51 am to LSU GrandDad
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nope. guess your definition of obvious is based on your own life experiences (or lack thereof). mine was a sales organization where performance directly dictated one's paycheck. no fat allowed in that type of scenerio.
I imagine that 90% of the TD posters are younger than 25.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:51 am to BabySam
This is the dumbest example I believe I've ever heard!!
I believe thats apples and oranges in the most extreme way!!
I believe thats apples and oranges in the most extreme way!!
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:54 am to 1p56
quote:
Boom?
You didnt read the part about having past success, did you?
Both Mallard and Peveto has been a part of the national championship team and had been successful enough in their respective positions as DB coach and LSU coach for Miles to trust them as duel DC.
Miles made a huge mistake with this. And he was absolutely right to fire them.
Likewise, Crowton should have been fired last year. LSU's offense wasn't just subpar, it was horrible. It would be hard to get worse results with no OC at all there.
The idea that Miles was somehow right to keep Crowton by the lights of some subtle management theory is a bunch of BS.
That's the point. Get it?
Let's move on.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:59 am to 1p56
Most of the country sees it as QB problem. Of course the X-Boxers take the easy way out and blame the coaches.
According to the all knowing recruiting sevices,Texas and OU dominate Big 12 recruiting.There is such a talent gap,they should never lose to other conference teams. Same with USC.
How is Shannnon at Miami ad Davis at Carolina working out? Notre Dame has top recruiting classes every yr but under achieves.
There is very little difference in talent in the SEC.You guys bash Miles and Crowton for the same things you excuse in other coaches. Miles is 3-3 against Meyer. LSU has a good chance of beating Bama. Tebow made UM look smart.Newton is making Malzan seem like a genius.
Let Auburn have JJ and let's see what happens.
Did ya'lls coaches lose every game or was it something the players failed to execute?
Hell,if all it took was coaching,you mouthiy critics could play.
According to the all knowing recruiting sevices,Texas and OU dominate Big 12 recruiting.There is such a talent gap,they should never lose to other conference teams. Same with USC.
How is Shannnon at Miami ad Davis at Carolina working out? Notre Dame has top recruiting classes every yr but under achieves.
There is very little difference in talent in the SEC.You guys bash Miles and Crowton for the same things you excuse in other coaches. Miles is 3-3 against Meyer. LSU has a good chance of beating Bama. Tebow made UM look smart.Newton is making Malzan seem like a genius.
Let Auburn have JJ and let's see what happens.
Did ya'lls coaches lose every game or was it something the players failed to execute?
Hell,if all it took was coaching,you mouthiy critics could play.
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