re: Miles on lineup

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You must have missed my post. It generally gets ignored when I ask someone to provide proof though.. wonder why?

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B/c people don't want to spend an hour researching every team in the SEC to satisfy your request?
Surely you're not seriously concluding that only freshmen like Patrick Peterson get playing time in the SEC?

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B/c people don't want to spend an hour researching every team in the SEC to satisfy your request?
Surely you're not seriously concluding that only freshmen like Patrick Peterson get playing time in the SEC?

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I don't care about every team in the SEC. I'd like to see a few examples though. I'd bet they all one of two things in common. Until you wanna do the research keep your opinion to yourself or at least don't post it as fact on a message board.

1) The player was truly elite and physically ready (Patrick Peterson, Trent Richardson, Julio Jones, etc)

2) The team had depth issues (Miss St, etc.)

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I don't care about every team in the SEC. I'd like to see a few examples though. I'd bet they all one of two things in common. Until you wanna do the research keep your opinion to yourself or at least don't post it as fact on a message board.

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You shouldn't be asking for research on something that is blatantly obvious, i.e. that freshmen do contribute in the SEC, and not just when they are super-freak athletes or nobody is ahead of them.

But here you go. These are all as good as Patrick Peterson, no doubt, and all at positions which had no upper-classmen waiting in line:

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2009 FRESHMAN ALL-SEC FOOTBALL TEAM (*-Ties / #-Unanimous Selection / Coaches could not vote for their own players) FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- OFFENSE TE Orson Charles Georgia 6-3 230 Tampa, Fla. #OL Barrett Jones Alabama 6-4 289 Memphis, Tenn. OL Aaron Douglas Tennessee 6-6 282 Maryville, Tenn. OL Xavier Nixon Florida 6-6 285 Fayetteville, N.C. OL Ryan Seymour Vanderbilt 6-5 295 Kingsland, Ga. *OL Larry Warford Kentucky 6-3 349 Richmond, Ky. *OL T.J. Johnson South Carolina 6-4 297 Aynor, S.C. #WR Alshon Jeffery South Carolina 6-3 217 St. Matthews, S.C. WR Chad Bumphis Mississippi State 5-10 195 Tupelo, Miss. QB Morgan Newton Kentucky 6-4 217 Carmel, Ind. RB Trent Richardson Alabama 5-11 220 Pensacola, Fla. RB Warren Norman Vanderbilt 5-10 188 Stone Mountain, Ga. FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- DEFENSE DL Devin Taylor South Carolina 6-7 232 Beaufort, S.C. DL Tenarius Wright Arkansas 6-1 238 Memphis, Tenn. DL Fletcher Cox Mississippi State 6-4 275 Yazoo City, Miss. *DL Montez Robinson Georgia 6-5 250 Avon, Ind. *DL Omar Hunter Florida 6-0 299 Buford, Ga. LB Nico Johnson Alabama 6-3 225 Andalusia, Ala. LB D.T. Shackelford Ole Miss 6-1 230 Decatur, Ala. LB Herman Lathers Tennessee 6-1 213 Baton Rouge, La. DB Johnthan Banks Mississippi State 6-2 175 Maben, Miss. DB Corey Broomfield Mississippi State 5-10 170 Palm Bay, Fla. DB Daren Bates Auburn 5-11 195 Memphis, Tenn. DB Stephon Gilmore South Carolina 6-1 188 Rock Hill, S.C. FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- SPECIAL TEAMS #PK Ryan Fowler Vanderbilt 5-10 165 Taylors, S.C. #P Tyler Campbell Ole Miss 6-2 210 Little Rock, Ark. RS Warren Norman Vanderbilt 5-10 188 Stone Mountain, Ga.

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FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- OFFENSE TE Brandon Barden Vanderbilt 6-5 245 Lincolnton, Ga. OL Justin Anderson Georgia 6-5 338 Ocilla, Ga. OL Cordy Glenn Georgia 6-5 331 Riverdale, Ga. OL *John Michael Boswell Alabama 6-5 300 Tuscaloosa, Ala. OL *Grant Cook Arkansas 6-6 320 Jonesboro, Ark. OL *Kyle Fischer Vanderbilt 6-6 300 Columbia, S.C. OL *Quentin Saulsberry Miss. State 6-3 293 Independence, Miss. C #Ben Jones Georgia 6-3 304 Centerville, Ala. WR #A.J. Green Georgia 6-4 200 Summerville, S.C. WR Julio Jones Alabama 6-4 210 Foley, Ala. QB Randall Cobb Kentucky 5-11 185 Alcoa, Tenn. RB Mark Ingram Alabama 5-10 215 Flint, Mich. RB *Jeffery Demps Florida 5-8 176 Winter Garden, Fla. RB *Chris Rainey Florida 5-9 185 Lakeland, Fla. FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- DEFENSE DL Jake Bequette Arkansas 6-5 265 Little Rock, Ark. DL *T.J. Greenstone Vanderbilt 6-3 278 Lawrenceville, Ga. DL *Zach Stadther Arkansas 6-1 285 N. Little Rock, Ark. DL *DeAngelo Tyson Georgia 6-2 306 Statesboro, Ga. LB #Chris Marve Vanderbilt 6-0 225 Memphis, Tenn. LB Dont'a Hightower Alabama 6-4 250 Lewisburg, Tenn. LB Jerry Franklin Arkansas 6-2 229 Marion, Ark. LB *Spencer Pybus Auburn 6-0 207 Dothan, Ala. LB *Daryl Vereen Tennessee 6-0 200 Charlotte, N.C. DB Janoris Jenkins Florida 5-10 185 Pahokee, Fla. DB Will Hill Florida 6-2 203 West Orange, N.J. DB Charles Mitchell Miss. State 5-11 196 Clarksdale, Miss. DB Neiko Thorpe Auburn 6-2 171 Tucker, Ga. FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- SPECIAL TEAMS PK Blair Walsh Georgia 5-10 183 Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. RS Dennis Johnson Arkansas 5-7 195 Texarkana, Ark.

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Besides, you miss the point again, which is that Miles, in my opinion, albeit a widely held opinion outside of LSU, is overly conservative in player selection (and everything else), and it leads to us having less of a football team than we would have with a less risk-averse coach.

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Do I need to go on?

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Do you need to go on denying the obvious truth that Miles is more conservative in player selection than his peers are?
Not unless you want to continue to prove that you are a shallow reasoner incapable of or unwilling to grasp context, faithfully represent the arguments of others, or generally behave in an intellectually honest manner.

While I respect the different opinions on this question (and I love a good argument on the Rant), I think there is one factor that I isn't being addressed much

I think that Shep was probably promised a shot at QB as a freshman. Heck, who is to say he would have come here if he hadn't been. And I think he was given a shot at QB. I also think giving him that shot took some preparation time away from him learning the RB and WR positions.

Heck, I was frustrated myself that he didn't get more touches. If he had been plugged into a role at RB or WR right out of gate things might have worked out differently (assuming he still signed with the Tigers when told that would be his role).

On the bright side, he should be good to go this year and and he should be healthy and fresh. (I think RB's especially take a beating in the SEC and if he had played there a ton last year and stayed there, I think it would take its toll before he moved on - hopefully to the next level).

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What an idiot LM is for NOT playing Michael Ford!!! Who gives a rat's a** how old he is. Anybody can see that he has what it takes to get the yardage on the ground. One more slap in the face by LM to the younger guys on the team!!!

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Here we go again another great player wasted by Les.Ala RS

20 lbs heavier than Trindon is thick now?

edit: Rainey I give you, but not Demps.

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