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My most recent stock market prediction

Posted on 7/13/10 at 8:05 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 8:05 am
I made a stock market prediction before the market opened on July 2 on the Poli Board. That was the day the employment numbers were announced.

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I'll even go so far out on the limb to say yesterday's S&P 500 index low of 1010 is the bottom for the market for this cycle.-July 2, 8:11 AM
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 8:55 am to
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:10 am to
When does this cycle end and when did it begin?
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8139 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:10 am to
I think you might be correct. I want to see us close the week above 1100 and I think I'll be back in the bullish camp. The only thing I think that could tank it right now is China has a lot of data coming out this week.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:13 am to
FWIW I don't think you're "wrong" here I'm just asking.
Posted by Monkey
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
4172 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:32 am to
a stopped clock is right twice a day.

But kudos on you getting this one right, needs to get a little higher before I can buy some more puts.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134459 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:35 am to
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When does this cycle end and when did it begin?
I consider the most recent pull-back cycle to have begun in May after the recent April high of 1219 on the S&P.

I think the general upwards trend will continue through the elections this fall, unless there is some world-changing event, such as a successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil or Iran gets bombed.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134459 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:42 am to
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a stopped clock is right twice a day.
This isn't my first market call which turned out to be correct. In February of 2009 I called the market low last year in March. I called the 10-15% pullback this year and now the low call. Of course, the low call is still young and this rally could just be head fake and I'll have to eat some crow.

BTW, after having read your posts on the Poli Board, that stopped clock you mentioned is ahead of you 2 to 0.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:45 am to
I'm with you. The macro issues haven't been solved, but they've been put on the back-burner, and people are focusing on earnings now. I'm sticking with Rosenberg on his 2H earnings expectations theme.

The main thing I'm personally curious about is how the market handles money center banks [predicted] profit slow down. Was the past 6 weeks enough of a scare that simply not losing money is somehow enough to be seen as a major positive, or does the market hold those banks to the same standard that it does for every one else (continual growth)? I'll have to wait till the actual reports come out, but that's something I'm curious about from a sentiment standpoint.

My guess is that the stocks will continue to rebound despite depressed profits because of recent sentiment, and as a result, continue to pull up the rest of the market, regardless of whether some firms report mediocre earnings. We're still in a prolonged financial "crisis," banks will continue to drive the market, not the other way around. The reverse-beta trade, if you will.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134459 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:52 am to
My main reason for believing this small rally will continue is it is becoming more apparent that the Republicans will take control of the house of representatives in November. (Even WH press secretary Gibbs said that over the weekend.) Thus, my prediction was posted on the Poli Board.

Gridlock is good for the stock market. It sounds stupid, but it's historically true. It was true when Clinton was in the WH and Republicans won the house and senate in 1994.

Also true when W was in the WH and Dems won congress.

I'm not being political or criticizing BHO (I save that for the Poli Board), I'm just stating that markets prefer knowing neither party can push through any radical legislative initiatives.

Regarding earnings, I think there will be many more upside surprises than downside disappointments. The same goes for top-line numbers.

Expect Intel to do real well after hours today after they announce earnings.
Posted by Monkey
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
4172 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:52 am to
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This isn't my first market call which turned out to be correct.

Well there are more than 2 days in 2 years.

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that stopped clock you mentioned is ahead of you 2 to 0.

Yeah, b.c I disagree with the majority of the board over there on a few issues, I am somehow losing to a clock.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134459 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:55 am to
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Well there are more than 2 days in 2 years.
I have no idea what you mean here. But thanks for contributing.

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b.c I disagree with the majority of the board over there on a few issues, I am somehow losing to a clock.
Yes.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:58 am to
Yeah I'm not in disagreement with that at all. I think that's one of the most non-partisan [and simultaneously accurate] statements regarding political effects on markets/fin/econ/etc I've ever read. As far as earnings, overall, again, I agree. Its not 2Q I am worried about, 2H is where I question whether earnings can keep up with expectations. That is as much a valuation issue as it is an economic one.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 12:11 pm to
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Gridlock is good for the stock market. It sounds stupid, but it's historically true. It was true when Clinton was in the WH and Republicans won the house and senate in 1994.


Everybody says this like it's gospel, but I don't think you can really make a solid empirical case for this at all. Among other problems, you would have to somehow find a way to call the years 1995-98 "gridlock" with no major legislative action enacted, while simultaneously calling the years 2003-06 a time of furious and significant partisan legislative activity. I just don't see it.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

My main reason for believing this small rally will continue is it is becoming more apparent that the Republicans will take control of the house of representatives in November. (Even WH press secretary Gibbs said that over the weekend.) Thus, my prediction was posted on the Poli Board.

Gridlock is good for the stock market. It sounds stupid, but it's historically true. It was true when Clinton was in the WH and Republicans won the house and senate in 1994.


I hope you are correct. I'm still very concerned that the Dems will maintain control and the Bush tax cuts will expire at the end of the year without any action being taken. A commentator on Fox News just mentioned that there are only about 30 working days for Congress remaining this year and they have a full agenda and likely will not consider the tax increase until 2011. My guess is that many businesses are retrenching in anticipation of higher taxes, more regulations and uncertainly related to healthcare. In other words I don't think unemployment is going to improve much any time soon but of course unemployment doesn't seem to affect the market much.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 1:04 pm to
I have no idea if its empirically true at all, it simply makes sense to me from a common sense standpoint. Less change = less uncertainty = higher asset prices. I would be highly skeptical of any study that claimed to prove this empirically, the myriad other infinitely more important factors make it impossible imo, but it makes sense to me in as much as it affects investor sentiment (as opposed to something concrete, like actual economic improvement).
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 1:09 pm to
My guess is that businesses are "re-trenching" because there is no growth in final demand.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134459 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 1:44 pm to
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My guess is that businesses are "re-trenching" because there is no growth in final demand.
Top line numbers reported for last quarter will reveal if you are correct. I think there will be a small increase in sales revenue for most companies reporting.

I truly believe the uncertainty of regulations, health care, taxes, union card check, cap and trade, etc., are the main factors holding back hiring now......coupled with being gun shy regarding the double dip possibility.

My biggest worry now is the kamikaze possibility from a lame-duck congress. With nothing to lose and with political appointed jobs to be offered by the administration, I can see cap and trade and the union card check bills passing. That would handicap the economy to the point where a double dip becomes likely rather than just a possibility.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:29 pm to
I think everything that has happened up to this point post-Armageddon-moment (so real economic rebounding) has been on the back of the inventory cycle, which is clearly at its end according to the ISMs and ECRI. Aside from final demand being zilch, why would businesses be expanding when they're staring at still near-record-low cap utilization (refer to this article)? I'm not saying the issues you bring up aren't there, they certainly are, however, I do not think they are the primary determinants of business decisions at the moment.

On the complete flip side, financial sector hiring has absolutely, unquestionably, improved dramatically (this coming from someone who searches indeed.com about every other week), even to the point where there are a decent number of entry-level openings popping up now. Doesn't mean I'm any better off as I'm still competing with the same massive pool of overqualified candidates, but its there nonetheless.
Posted by Chris Farley
Regulating
Member since Sep 2009
4213 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 3:40 pm to
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Expect Intel to do real well after hours today after they announce earnings


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