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Notre Dame is the real loser...
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:42 pm
With a Big-10 expansion and the creation of a Pac~27 super conference Notre Dame is the real loser in this situation.
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Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:43 pm to TigerBoner
How so?
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:44 pm to TigerBoner
How? They are still independent with there own TV network and still have an amazingly easy route to the BCS.
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:45 pm to TigerBoner
notre dame is still one of the two most desired potential gets (texas being the other one) in college football
they still have a sweetheart deal at the Big 10 waiting for them
they still have a sweetheart deal at the Big 10 waiting for them
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:47 pm to Swagga
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How so? They are still independent with there own TV network and still have an amazingly easy route to the BCS.
They're okay for now but their numbers have been down at NBC. If Brian Kelly is Charlie Weiss part II and their numbers keep going down, then they could have a serious problem in the future (assuming of course that the Big 10 doesn't welcome them with open arms by then)
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:52 pm to Swagga
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How? They are still independent with there own TV network and still have an amazingly easy route to the BCS.
How does ND have an easy route to the BCS?
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:52 pm to TigerBoner
Piss on those arrogant bastards. And I will not go to hell for saying that. There are more Catholics at LSU than Notre Dame.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:52 pm to TigerBoner
they could call the Big 10 and get admitted tomorrow if they wanted to, but they are happy to make the money they make now and retain their independent status. The ball is, was and probably will always be in their court
I fail to see how they are a "loser," except on the field of course
I fail to see how they are a "loser," except on the field of course
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 9:54 pm to RhodeIslandRed
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There are more Catholics at LSU than Notre Dame.
Number? Probably, just based on size of each school. Percentage of students? No, not close (if you're not talating about the student body, but rather the football team, then IDK, maybe you're right). What does that have to do with this, anyway?
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 10:01 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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How does ND have an easy route to the BCS?
They play a joke schedule and only need to be ranked (what, 12 or 15?) to get in. Alabama was 13 at the end of 2005 but couldn't get in because of the two from one conference rule- that doesn't apply to notre dame (the same with texas tech in 2008 who was #7 before the bowl games but went to the cotton bowl instead of the BCS bowl that Notre Dame would have gotten- even though Texas Tech played a tougher schedule that year than Notre Dame played i 05 or 06.)
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 10:03 pm to Swagga
People keep saying their route to the BCS is easy for them, but they've only been there 3 times since the BCS was created and got smashed every time. Penn State, Florida State and Miami were all independent programs that saw the benefit of conference affiliation years ago. As far as TV goes, all ND has is a deal with NBC for home games, while Indiana football is making more money than ND because of Big Ten Network.
They could be screwed if major college football is dominated by 2 or 3 super conferences in a few years. Each will have mammoth TV deals. Also, recruits now weren't even born the last time ND won a national championship and most can't remember a time when they were even in the hunt, so how do they continue recruiting the best talent if they continue as an independent? ND needs to get over themselves and join the Big Ten before it's too late.
They could be screwed if major college football is dominated by 2 or 3 super conferences in a few years. Each will have mammoth TV deals. Also, recruits now weren't even born the last time ND won a national championship and most can't remember a time when they were even in the hunt, so how do they continue recruiting the best talent if they continue as an independent? ND needs to get over themselves and join the Big Ten before it's too late.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 10:04 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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How does ND have an easy route to the BCS?
I was going to respond with this..
The Irish earn an automatic BCS berth if they finish ranked in the top 10 or have at least nine wins. And if they qualify, they get to keep the entire share of a BCS payout -- roughly $16 million.
But I see they changed the classification for them.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 10:06 pm to Swagga
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The Irish earn an automatic BCS berth if they finish ranked in the top 10
I'm pretty sure its 12 or 15, not 10. In 06 they were #11 at the end of the regular season.
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 10:08 pm to secfan123
I thought so to but I just read they changed the rules for them. They are guaranteed to be selected with a top 8 ranking. But they can be "considered" with a top 12 ranking.
In the new contract, BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg said Wednesday, "Notre Dame is treated like a member of a conference." That means Notre Dame is guaranteed a BCS berth if it finishes in the top eight of the final BCS standings and can be considered for an at-large with a top-12 ranking.
In the new contract, BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg said Wednesday, "Notre Dame is treated like a member of a conference." That means Notre Dame is guaranteed a BCS berth if it finishes in the top eight of the final BCS standings and can be considered for an at-large with a top-12 ranking.
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 10:34 pm to Swagga
Gotcha. I tried (not very hard, I admit) to find it. When did the rule change take effect?
Posted on 6/13/10 at 10:53 pm to TigerBoner
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Notre Dame is the real loser in this situation.
I disagree. Missouri is the real loser. They held a vastly overrated sense of their importance and value when this whole conference rumbling began. The Big 12, at the very beginning of this process, asked for a public statement of commitment to the conference. Not only did Missouri not provide that vote of confidence, they held a presser where they made clear that they were actively communicating with the Big 10 and doing "what is in the best interests of Missouri." Now that the Big 10 has made clear that Missouri will not get an invitation, they are crawling back to the Big 12 on their hands and knees all the while begging other schools not to abandon them.
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Missouri curators met behind closed doors Sunday night for the fourth time in as many days as the school turns its attention to saving the Big 12 Conference after its apparent bid to join the Big Ten failed.
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"We have been a proud member of the Big Six, Big Seven and Big Eight, and we continue to take great pride in the accomplishments of the Big 12," Missouri Chancellor Deaton wrote while noting Missouri's role in forming the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1907. "Our position as a member for more than 100 years gives us a great appreciation for the tremendous value of our conference and a vital stake in its future."
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Those words represent a sharp turn from Missouri's previously stated interest in exploring all its options with conference realignment. But those earlier flirtations came before Nebraska's departure and assertions from both Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and Big 12 leader Dan Beebe that the oldest conference in Division I sports was not targeting any other Big 12 schools - at least for the time being.
Missouri got called out by Nebraska in a parting snub:
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Missouri's interest in joining a bigger and broader Big Ten was met with criticism Friday from Nebraska Chancellor Harvey Perlman, who cited public comments by Deaton, Athletics director Mike Alden and Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon as fodder for the 14-year-old Big 12's possible collapse.
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Alden responded by calling such assertions "silly" and "ridiculous." And University of Missouri system President Gary Forsee said the school bears no blame for simply protecting its self-interest. "We were only doing what you would expect any institution, whether you're sitting here or in Lawrence, Kan., or Waco, Texas," Forsee said. "Did we contribute more or less than any other institution in the Big 12 or nationally? No.
Missouri thought that the Big 10 was going to be really happy to see them. Instead, they were basically told "don't call us, we'll call you." They did not realize it but they were on the same level with Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor.
Ouch.
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Posted on 6/13/10 at 10:59 pm to GABlueDog
I do think MU has an over-rated sense of importance - but most what is happening is they are being used by more powerful players
Nebraska calling out MU as a reason for going to the Big 10 is ridiculous - they are going because it's a business decision that makes sense for them. MU is a smaller player that may or may not end up being invited to teh Big 10 - they are not a team that influences teh stability of the Big 12 - that is Nebraska
The Big 10 held out the lure of an invitation to Nebraska and MU with the intention of luring ND - they were probably surprised that both programs jumped so readily to accept.
Nebraska calling out MU as a reason for going to the Big 10 is ridiculous - they are going because it's a business decision that makes sense for them. MU is a smaller player that may or may not end up being invited to teh Big 10 - they are not a team that influences teh stability of the Big 12 - that is Nebraska
The Big 10 held out the lure of an invitation to Nebraska and MU with the intention of luring ND - they were probably surprised that both programs jumped so readily to accept.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 11:04 pm to molsusports
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I do think MU has an over-rated sense of importance - but most what is happening is they are being used by more powerful players
Exactly. They got exposed...big time.
And I agree...the parting slap by Nebraska was just a middle finger on the way out the door. Funny, but unnecessary.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:08 am to secfan123
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They play a joke schedule
I wasn't really talking about that, but point taken.
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only need to be ranked (what, 12 or 15?) to get in
ND's at large requirements are the exact same as everyone else's (top 14, at least 9 wins makes ND eligible, like everyone else). The only added stipulation the Irish has that no one else does is if they're in the top 8, they automatically get a birth. Let's be honest, though, even if that wasn't in place, if they're top 8, they're going to a BCS bowl.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:15 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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ND's at large requirements are the exact same as everyone else's (top 14, at least 9 wins makes ND eligible, like everyone else).
Notre Dame doesn't have to worry bout being left out if they play in a good conference like Texas Tech was in 08 and Bama was in 05. Had either of those teams been independent, they would have made a BCS bowl (oh and Bill Snyder sends a sincere frick you to the irish as well for 1998 and 1999)
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