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The Literal Nuclear Option For the Spill
Posted on 5/25/10 at 7:36 am
Posted on 5/25/10 at 7:36 am
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Posted on 5/25/10 at 7:43 am to bayourant
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Here’s the legal reality. At the Natural Resources Defense Council Switchboard blog, a staff attorney, David Pettit, has posted language in the Clean Water Act, which was amended through the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, that appears clearly to vest the president with both the authority and the obligation to take the reins in a major oil spill where private actions have failed: (A) If a discharge, or a substantial threat of a discharge, of oil or a hazardous substance from a vessel, offshore facility, or onshore facility is of such a size or character as to be a substantial threat to the public health or welfare of the United States (including but not limited to fish, shellfish, wildlife, other natural resources, and the public and private beaches and shorelines of the United States), the President shall direct all Federal, State, and private actions to remove the discharge or to mitigate or prevent the threat of the discharge.
I hope people remember this shite when election time rolls around
Posted on 5/25/10 at 7:45 am to bayourant
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If ‘Top Kill’ Fails, Obama Must Take Reins
What the hell is he gonna do? He knows jack shite about whats going on.
All of the best engineers are hired by companies like BP, a gov't take over would be the worse thing possible
Posted on 5/25/10 at 7:56 am to mylsuhat
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What the hell is he gonna do?
Well he can drop the big one perhaps
Posted on 5/25/10 at 7:56 am to bayourant
A month ago, anyone who said "nuclear option" was attacked and criticized... "Tinfoil" I read on many boards.
Now, yesterday's tin is today's truth?
Wow.
Whatever they do they need to shite or get off the pot. BP that is.
The amount of oil flowing into the gulf is huge and its consequences, if stopped today will be catastrophic for people in affected zones. The longer it continues, the larger the affected zone.
Denying the severity of the problem is almost as dangerous as the problem itself.
Y'all ought to be getting ready for the worst, even if it doesn't happen.
At work (IT Business) and at home, I plan for the worst but always hope for the best. That way I, or my company, do not get caught with our figurative pants down in a worst case scenario. I think of it like fire insurance. You hope you never need it, but you have it. Just in case.
I wish those of you in the affected zones the best and may God help us all if they can't stop this thing.
2¢
Now, yesterday's tin is today's truth?
Wow.
Whatever they do they need to shite or get off the pot. BP that is.
The amount of oil flowing into the gulf is huge and its consequences, if stopped today will be catastrophic for people in affected zones. The longer it continues, the larger the affected zone.
Denying the severity of the problem is almost as dangerous as the problem itself.
Y'all ought to be getting ready for the worst, even if it doesn't happen.
At work (IT Business) and at home, I plan for the worst but always hope for the best. That way I, or my company, do not get caught with our figurative pants down in a worst case scenario. I think of it like fire insurance. You hope you never need it, but you have it. Just in case.
I wish those of you in the affected zones the best and may God help us all if they can't stop this thing.
2¢
Posted on 5/25/10 at 8:03 am to WNCTiger
I Would think a small tactical nuke would be sufficent to do it . It would not have to like the big one we see in all the famous undersea nuclear test pictures
Posted on 5/25/10 at 8:06 am to bayourant
ok... and if this bomb blows the hole open more, then what are yall going to do???
there is a lot of restrictions on the well now, blowing that off is not a good idea IMO & IMHO FWIW
there is a lot of restrictions on the well now, blowing that off is not a good idea IMO & IMHO FWIW
Posted on 5/25/10 at 8:10 am to bayourant
You have been added to " The List"
Posted on 5/25/10 at 8:21 am to TigerFred
Not sure what Fed involvement would actually do to improve the response - in reality, probably not shite. Im just frustrated at the current level of performance by "the best we have". I think BP has too much on their plate right now with trying to kill the well and clean-up the shite thats washing ashore. Give the states the resources they need and let them clean it up until BP can kill the well. Why in the hell do skimmer and clean-up vessels need permission to leave the docks and do what the hell they are supposed to be doing as oil runs into a pass?
Posted on 5/25/10 at 8:26 am to mylsuhat
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ok... and if this bomb blows the hole open more, then what are yall going to do???
Well the Russians have done it four times and it has worked
Posted on 5/25/10 at 8:28 am to Geaux2Hell
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Why in the hell do skimmer and clean-up vessels need permission to leave the docks and do what the hell they are supposed to be doing as oil runs into a pass
mainly because they want to prevent fraud, in a honnest society it wouldnt be a problem but you know that they would have everyone and their momma claiming they were skimming just to take a few bucks. this is the sad but honnest truth
Posted on 5/25/10 at 8:57 am to bayourant
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Well the Russians have done it four times and it has worked
on dry land putting out gas wells on fire
not under 5000ft of water plugging an oil well
This post was edited on 5/25/10 at 9:01 am
Posted on 5/25/10 at 8:59 am to supatigah
yeah but supa you're forgetting that its all the same! if it has been done on land then it should have been done a mile deep in the canyon the day it happened! 
Posted on 5/25/10 at 9:04 am to bayourant
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Well the Russians have done it four times and it has worked
We're wringing our hands about oily baby pelicans but now we're down with detonating a thermonuclear weapon on the Gulf seafloor, WOW.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:20 am to Bussemer
none of our nuclear weapons are designed to detonate at a depth and with the pressures of 5000 ft of water...
not to mention the last nuclear armed torpedo the us navy used has been out of service for quite some time and was designed for a depth of about 1500 feet...
not to mention the last nuclear armed torpedo the us navy used has been out of service for quite some time and was designed for a depth of about 1500 feet...
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:46 pm to mylsuhat
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What the hell is he gonna do? He knows jack shite about JACK
Posted on 5/25/10 at 5:42 pm to bayourant
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Well the Russians have done it four times and it has worked
It didn't work one of the times if I heard correctly.
They either did it five or six times if memory serves me correctly, and it did fail once. Not sure what you do if it fails... blast another one?
Posted on 5/25/10 at 5:57 pm to thetempleowl
Setting off an explosive device over a gas well blowout uses up the available oxygen, extinguishing the fire. It doesn't do anything to stop the flow of natural gas. Once the fire is out, the well can be capped. None of this applies out in the gulf. Let's blow the sucker up and see if we can really get it flowing!
Posted on 5/25/10 at 6:22 pm to Eauxkie Tiger
As far as that story goes, I wouldn't think they'd have to go nuclear to put out a gas well. They probably just wanted to use a nuclear bomb. I think I remember reading where the MOAB would suffocate anyone within the blast radius that was shielded enough to survive the actual blast/concussion. Using a nuclear bomb on the oil spill in the Gulf? I'd rather wait until August, as much as I hate to say that.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 9:45 pm to GM4UA
First it is oil drilling, now everyone is an expert on nuclear weapons. From what I have read the well pressure is around 10,000 psi, the pressure gradient of a 1 megaton device over the same area would be about 1000th of that, in other words it would displace a lot of seawater, the well bore would be held open by the oil flow, and the situation would be the same or worse.
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