Just a thought on the dead turtles

That could definitely be possible.

Has been suggested this is in fact cause. Testing still to be completed but one of the things they ate looking into.

I would also suggest: if god intended turtles to survive oil spills he'd have made them out of dawn dish soap

better question - how many turtles actually died in nets 20 years ago before TEDs were needed?

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better question - how many turtles actually died in nets 20 years ago before TEDs were needed?

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We found them dead all the time on Last Island

I read somewhere that some dead sea turtles usually show up on shore around this time of year. Not sure why.

Also, what are TEDs?

Turtle Exclusion Device

Basically a trap door exit for sea turtle before the bag of the trawl.

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I would suspect that T.E.D.'s weren't being used by the shrimpers,

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I would suspect that had the shrimpers decided to re-rig their nets to not include TED's and found some tasty turtle in their catch, they would have had a nice soup and noone would have ever known.

on a serious note....

i happen to have extensive knowledge of how teds work and when it was not required by law and when required by law.......number one....my brother worked 5 summers in hs and college for my uncle who had a 35yr career in the business on a 68 foot shrimp boat....before teds went into effect, not 1 time was a turtle caught in the double bag nets nor a "try net"..in the 5 summers my brother said he saw 1 dead floating dead sea turtle...low figures...the whole reason for the "teds" is in fact it may have happened less than 1 percent of the time a turtle being caught in nets alive, the animal rights activist put this into effect and it became a law dealing a hugh blow to the shrimping industry years ago.....the untrained eye has no idea how much "payload"(shrimp) is lost because of teds being federally mandated.....

....speaking from experience, my uncle who is 81 yrs old who still drives and does everything we can do said, it is highly impossible that that many turtles died as a result of shrimpers all at the same time.....i asked my bro and he in fact said that there is no way shrimpers caught that many turtles in their nets all in the same week...that never happened like this in years this many turtles dying....

shrimpers know they had nothing to do with this because of the nature of what they do.....besides if a shrimper is caught and yes they do regular checks and you cant just remove a ted device on and off.....they could lose their boat....and their livelyhood...

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shrimpers know they had nothing to do with this because of the nature of what they do.....besudes if a shrimper is caught and yes they do regular checks and you cant just remove a ted device on and off.....you lose the boat....and their livelyhood...

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WOW, does the punishment fit the crime??? This may need it's own thread!!!

So if a shrimper is in violation of this regulation they could lose their boat and no longer work in that industry.

Sooo if a an oil company is found at fault and their error causes un measurable damage to an area what's the recourse for them?

I know one is a small example and the other is ginormous and complex, but the little guy affected one specific endangered species and the Ginormous guy is affecting all of the species in that area. jus sayin