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Why would Miles not start Lee?
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:06 am
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:06 am
And I absolutely do not want this to turn into another "Lee vs. Jefferson" thread or a "Miles Sucks" thread, I am strictly interested in opinions on what will factor into Miles's utimate decesion. And this is more interesting to me at this point than the standard "Both our QBs suck" threads.
I think we can all at least agree that Lee looked better than Jefferson in the spring game. By how much is a matter of opinion, but I think most will concede that as fact. That being said, I can think of a few reasons why Miles' wouldn't start Lee:
1) The spring game is only a small snippet we get to see, and Jefferson has still outplayed Lee overall to maintain #1
2) Les is concerned with Lee's psyche and that no matter what he does/how well he plays in practice, like a lot of our fans, he just doesn't trust Lee in games
3) Les is feeling the warmth of his seat and doesn't feel like he's in a position to take such a gamble that could 'cause a huge backlash from the fanbase for even doing it, much less if it blows up in his face
Feel free to add more reasons. For me, I hope to goodness that it's #1. I could understand #2(though I think there's a big difference between a 4th year JR and a 2nd year FR), but #3 would kinda piss me off. What say you?
I think we can all at least agree that Lee looked better than Jefferson in the spring game. By how much is a matter of opinion, but I think most will concede that as fact. That being said, I can think of a few reasons why Miles' wouldn't start Lee:
1) The spring game is only a small snippet we get to see, and Jefferson has still outplayed Lee overall to maintain #1
2) Les is concerned with Lee's psyche and that no matter what he does/how well he plays in practice, like a lot of our fans, he just doesn't trust Lee in games
3) Les is feeling the warmth of his seat and doesn't feel like he's in a position to take such a gamble that could 'cause a huge backlash from the fanbase for even doing it, much less if it blows up in his face
Feel free to add more reasons. For me, I hope to goodness that it's #1. I could understand #2(though I think there's a big difference between a 4th year JR and a 2nd year FR), but #3 would kinda piss me off. What say you?
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:11 am to Hot Carl
I think Les is the type of coach that would rather a qb that won't lose the game for him. He would rather Jefferson take sacks than lee throw ints. Lee is the type that will hit the big play for you then give up a big one right after.
Jefferson is a more conservative qb
Jefferson is a more conservative qb
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:14 am to Hot Carl
Miles saw Lee struggle against La Tech and Bama last year.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:19 am to Hot Carl
The coaching staff collectively will determine which QB gives the team the best chance to win. My guess is that Miles, Crowton, and Gonzales will team up and make this determination based on who can best execute the offensive scheme implemented by Crowton.
I have thrown out the concept of utilizing both in a 2 QB system which, judging from the comments I recieved on the 2 threads I started on the subject, 10% FOR...90% AGAINST.
But...I digress...to your original question...the QB who gives you the best chance to win will determine who starts at QB.
I have thrown out the concept of utilizing both in a 2 QB system which, judging from the comments I recieved on the 2 threads I started on the subject, 10% FOR...90% AGAINST.
But...I digress...to your original question...the QB who gives you the best chance to win will determine who starts at QB.
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 7:22 am
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:30 am to Hot Carl
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And I absolutely do not want this to turn into another "Lee vs. Jefferson" thread or a "Miles Sucks" thread,
Did you mean to post this elsewhere? Because that shite is out of the question with this illiterate bunch.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:31 am to Hot Carl
fwiw, QB's don't mature or gain confidence at LSU. I learned that by reading the rant.
Play at LSU plateaus and however you play as a RS Fresh,that's how they will perform as a Jr/Sr. There's no two ways around that. That's FACT.
Play at LSU plateaus and however you play as a RS Fresh,that's how they will perform as a Jr/Sr. There's no two ways around that. That's FACT.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:36 am to Hot Carl
1) Disagree.
2) Lee showed a bit of improvement in the spring game to me. He threw the pick and that's the only thing people want to look at. But if you watch more than just that, IMO, he looked like he had MUCH MORE command of the offense as a whole than Jefferson. Now, maybe he needs to learn to read defenses a little better and not panic, you'd have your starting QB.
3) IMO, Jordan Jefferson will be the dagger in the heart of Les Miles at LSU. He can thank Ryan Perrilloux for most of that though because he put the program in a tailspin at the position.
2) Lee showed a bit of improvement in the spring game to me. He threw the pick and that's the only thing people want to look at. But if you watch more than just that, IMO, he looked like he had MUCH MORE command of the offense as a whole than Jefferson. Now, maybe he needs to learn to read defenses a little better and not panic, you'd have your starting QB.
3) IMO, Jordan Jefferson will be the dagger in the heart of Les Miles at LSU. He can thank Ryan Perrilloux for most of that though because he put the program in a tailspin at the position.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:37 am to Hot Carl
quote:
Why would Miles not start Lee?
quote:
3) Les is feeling the warmth of his seat and doesn't feel like he's in a position to take such a gamble that could 'cause a huge backlash from the fanbase for even doing it, much less if it blows up in his face
I think its definately number 3. He knows he'll get more points with Lee and he would rather see the offense struggle then take chances with pick 6's. JMO...
Totally disagree with #1. I think that he has shown no improvement in 1 and 1/2 years.
As for #2, I can agree, but most young men go through rough times and struggle, you have to give them a real opportunity to prove their worth. otherwise your just rear-ending them...and thats not right...
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 7:42 am
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:07 am to Hot Carl
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2) Les is concerned with Lee's psyche and that no matter what he does/how well he plays in practice, like a lot of our fans, he just doesn't trust Lee in games
I believe it's this reason, because Lee, although he has proven exceptional ability, has tended to put a lot of pressure on himself to make things happen and force things that worked in high school ball, but will never work in college ball. I am afraid he has lived by a method his whole football life that causes him to react in ways that don't work at this level. I think the coaches have tried with some success to change it, but when his instincts take over, which they often have to, he reverts back to the actions that college defensive players can turn around on him.
"Edited due to horrible spelling"
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 8:09 am
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:10 am to Hot Carl
quote:
Why would Miles not start Lee?
Why would he start Lee?
To see if the DBs can catch?
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:50 am to Hot Carl
quote:
I think we can all at least agree that Lee looked better than Jefferson in the spring game. By how much is a matter of opinion, but I think most will concede that as fact. That being said, I can think of a few reasons why Miles' wouldn't start Lee:
1) The spring game is only a small snippet we get to see, and Jefferson has still outplayed Lee overall to maintain #1
2) Les is concerned with Lee's psyche and that no matter what he does/how well he plays in practice, like a lot of our fans, he just doesn't trust Lee in games
3) Les is feeling the warmth of his seat and doesn't feel like he's in a position to take such a gamble that could 'cause a huge backlash from the fanbase for even doing it, much less if it blows up in his face
Those are decent reasons... I'd add in that if you bounce repeatedly between QBs then you probably undermine the confidence of the QBs and the rest of the team. I worry that both JJ and JL are not yet mature enough to handle a demotion smoothly
So IMO it's better to pick one and stick with him as the starter until the backup looks definitely better for a while (as was the case when JJ replaced JL in 08)... maybe that time comes soon or maybe JJ is better than he showed in the Spring Scrimmage
Posted on 4/9/10 at 9:54 am to Hot Carl
quote:
And I absolutely do not want this to turn into another "Lee vs. Jefferson" thread
But that is what it is.....another useless thread on an overworked subject.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 10:10 am to Hot Carl
quote:I think all 3 of these are true.
1) The spring game is only a small snippet we get to see, and Jefferson has still outplayed Lee overall to maintain #1
2) Les is concerned with Lee's psyche and that no matter what he does/how well he plays in practice, like a lot of our fans, he just doesn't trust Lee in games
3) Les is feeling the warmth of his seat and doesn't feel like he's in a position to take such a gamble that could 'cause a huge backlash from the fanbase for even doing it, much less if it blows up in his face
Posted on 4/9/10 at 10:12 am to Hot Carl
#1 reason to me is that Lee, with ALL of the work he's done since the 2008 season, threw yet another pick 6 against a defense he knows well, in the spring game. I wouldn't need to see anything else to determine that it's just not there mentally for this young man. I know he's a great kid, has stuck it out, worked hard, etc. But if it's not there at game time, it's just not there. That performance anxiety is very difficult to change and I don't know what Lee has done to try and change it, but the latest pick 6 is evidence that the issue remains. If he threw one against our defense in limited playing time during the spring game, imagine what would happen against Florida or Alabama's defense. Wouldn't be pretty I'm afraid!
Posted on 4/9/10 at 10:51 am to Hot Carl
Les won't play Lee because he favors upperclassmen!!!
Oh wait...
Oh wait...
Posted on 4/9/10 at 12:10 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
I think we can all at least agree that Lee looked better than Jefferson in the spring game
good enough to make us forget about what the kid did last year against La. Tech? frick NO. Look what Jefferson did in his last start and what Lee did in his. JJ played decently and Lee had maybe the worst game for an LSU QB in 10 years.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 12:51 pm to Hot Carl
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 2:06 pm to Hot Carl
because jefferson might have performed better in more practices than lee.... includine the one you witnessed 
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:04 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
Why would Miles not start Lee?
Because Lee has given up more points than he produced.
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