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re: Why would Miles not start Lee?

Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:44 am to
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:44 am to
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LA Tech.....


Last. Year.

Do you think he hasn't matured? Hasn't studied and he'll just play EXACTLY the same as he did last year?

Like I said, people watched the spring game and saw nothing but the INT. That's it. That's all they WANTED to see.

I just think he looked more confident and made some decent throws. Yet, all you people want to talk about is the past.

College football is about progression. IMO, he's def. made progression.
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:44 am to
Miles will start Jefferson if he thinks he is the better option for the team. He will start Lee if he thinks otherwise.

Miles has always started the guy that he thinks will give the team the best chance at winning. That's not to say that he's always been correct. But, it's pretty foolish to think that Miles would ever start anyone in a meaningful game that he believes lowers the teams chance at winning.
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:44 am to
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are you fricking retarded?


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Tiger Rant
Posted by JJ27
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:47 am to
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LA Tech.....


What did Jefferson do to show he should be the #1 in that game?
Posted by LSUisOVER9000
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:47 am to
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Miles has always started the guy that he thinks will give the team the best chance at winning. That's not to say that he's always been correct. But, it's pretty foolish to think that Miles would ever start anyone in a meaningful game that he believes lowers the teams chance at winning.


well when fans wanted JL to be the starter instead of JJ...Miles proved them WRONG (LA Tech) so I know Miles will put the best QB on the FIELD
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:48 am to
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It is absolutely amazing to me that people think that is all Lee would do. Like he would absolutely match what he did as a RS Freshman 2 years ago.


My apologies, oh I dont think he would do it. Thats just what Miles thinks. I for one believe that he would do quite well. If I were the coach I would start Lee, and maybe run a two QB system till one distanced themselves from the other...If that doesnt happen within 3 games. I move garrett in if were 1-2.
Posted by LSUisOVER9000
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:50 am to
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My apologies, oh I dont think he would do it. Thats just what Miles thinks. I for one believe that he would do quite well. If I were the coach I would start Lee, and maybe run a two QB system till one distanced themselves from the other...If that doesnt happen within 3 games. I move garrett in if were 1-2.

yes then we'll have a 3 QB system! and if we suck some more then let's put Zack Lee in there
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:52 am to
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It is absolutely amazing to me that people think that is all Lee would do.


16 picks in 8 games
7 for tds
1 in the spring game in march

I'm not saying he could, I'm just saying it's a possibility.

Jefferson is the low risk, medium reward qb
lee is the high risk, high reward qb

I think miles just likes having a Michigan type offense, conservative at qb and run it up the middle

he just has a spread OC that doesn't know what he wants to do. 5 wides? Pistol? Wildcat? I form?

It doesn't matter what the formation is because lsu runs only 2 or 3 plays out of each one. Crowton is figured out. There is no element of surprise. If the "big back" is back there, it's either a run off tackle to wherever the tight end shifts to, or it's a pass play to the primary receiver.

Crowton was exposed in 2008 and 2009
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 7:55 am
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:53 am to
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What did Jefferson do to show he should be the #1 in that game?


wow... Really?
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:54 am to
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I'm just saying it's a possibility.


To match those numbers? As a Jr? I personally feel that it's HIGHLY unlikely.

But like I said, according to most here, players just plateau and learn absolutely nothing as they mature.
Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
Member since Sep 2009
3404 posts
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:56 am to
I think it is mostly #2. I haven't been at the practices but most reports have said that Lee outperformed Jefferson this Spring and Lee was MUCH better in the Spring Game. So I don't think #1 is true.

#3 cuts both ways. Jefferson is a risk averse QB who has difficulty finding an open receiver other than the primary receiver or the safety valve. As such defensive coordinators lick their chops knowing they can aggressively play the run and as long as they cover LSU's #1 receiver, it's probable they can shut us down. Jefferson is kryptonite to an otherwise explosive offense. And LSU (with a young defense) will need to score to win. So Miles going with Jefferson poses risks to Miles. A Jefferson led offense is almost incapable of scoring more than 30 points so the games will always come down to the 4th quarter, whether it's Florida or Vanderbilt. And that means that LSU is susceptible to being upset if the opposition gets a few breaks (see e.g., Miss State 2009) and it also means you will probably lose half of the games against similar competition (which guarantees 2 or 3 losses).

Lee brings different risks of course. Lee can light up a defense and will require teams to play the pass more honestly, which opens up the running game. But Lee can make the "big play" for the other team as we have all seen.

And I think that is the reason # 2 is the answer. Lee has Les snake bitten. Just as Jefferson takes sacks so as not to make Lee's mistakes, Les plays Jefferson so as not to let Lee make those mistakes. I don't know if it's Lee who is pysched out or if it is Miles. But that seems to me to be what is going on.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9605 posts
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:57 am to
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yes then we'll have a 3 QB system! and if we suck some more then let's put Zack Lee in there


man, you just like to run with shite. they would be given their opportunities and if they dont make the best of them you go to the next guy, until you find something that clicks...thats coaching...otherwise your not looking out for the best intrest of your team.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9605 posts
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:59 am to
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16 picks in 8 games
7 for tds
1 in the spring game in march

I'm not saying he could, I'm just saying it's a possibility.

Jefferson is the low risk, medium reward qb
lee is the high risk, high reward qb

I think miles just likes having a Michigan type offense, conservative at qb and run it up the middle

he just has a spread OC that doesn't know what he wants to do. 5 wides? Pistol? Wildcat? I form?

It doesn't matter what the formation is because lsu runs only 2 or 3 plays out of each one. Crowton is figured out. There is no element of surprise. If the "big back" is back there, it's either a run off tackle to wherever the tight end shifts to, or it's a pass play to the primary receiver.

Crowton was exposed in 2008 and 2009


I actually agree with everything except the medium reward part. I think he limits the offense so much that it hurts us on both sides of the ball.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:59 am to
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To match those numbers? As a Jr? I personally feel that it's HIGHLY unlikely.


I didn't think it would be possible either until I saw the pick in the spring game. I just didn't think that could happen after what I saw in 2008 and the games he played in 2009.
Especially la tech where if the cb's for tech could catch, there would have been two run all the way back. Yet crowton keeps calling these plays for him.

lee still throws off his back foot, and locks onto receivers sometimes

he did better after the pick though in the game checking off ect, which was great.

Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:00 am to
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I didn't think it would be possible either until I saw the pick in the spring game.


So that's a barometer for the '10 season? Don't just look at the INT.

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he did better after the pick though in the game checking off ect, which was great.


what's that a sign of?

Oh, maturity and a better understanding of what it takes to play QB.
Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
Member since Sep 2009
3404 posts
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:03 am to
Jefferson isn't low risk/medium reward. He's low risk/low reward. Go look at our offensive production.

Lee is high risk/medium reward. Not high risk/high reward. The 2008 offense SEEMS prolific but it wasn't even Top 40 as I recall. Of course, ANYTHING seems awesome compared to what Jefferson did in 2009.

At any rate, here lies the problem. We have a stout team and no QB who can give us "high reward.". Either take lots of risk for ok production. Or take low risk for near zero production.
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:04 am to
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I think he limits the offense so much that it hurts us on both sides of the ball


I think if he can get better line play and receivers catching better, doubters will change their tune this season.

Jefferson made some good throws in the spring game, as well as lee of course

I hate that there were so Many drops though for both qbs. Hopefully that's something that gets worked on.

Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:04 am to
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The coaching staff collectively will determine which QB gives the team the best chance to win.


I agree
I just want them to make this descison after fall camp ...not in april.
B/c as much as ive seen JJ hasnt done enough to be unchallenged.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:06 am to
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Jefferson isn't low risk/medium reward. He's low risk/low reward. Go look at our offensive production.

Lee is high risk/medium reward.


which qb is MORE likely to have a few 300 yrd passing games?
JL or JJ?
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10179 posts
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:07 am to
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2) Les is concerned with Lee's psyche and that no matter what he does/how well he plays in practice, like a lot of our fans, he just doesn't trust Lee in games

I believe it's this reason, because Lee, although he has proven exceptional ability, has tended to put a lot of pressure on himself to make things happen and force things that worked in high school ball, but will never work in college ball. I am afraid he has lived by a method his whole football life that causes him to react in ways that don't work at this level. I think the coaches have tried with some success to change it, but when his instincts take over, which they often have to, he reverts back to the actions that college defensive players can turn around on him.

"Edited due to horrible spelling"
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 8:09 am
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