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re: Whose Draft Stock Rising Will Help the Saints Most
Posted on 3/25/10 at 2:46 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 3/25/10 at 2:46 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Like assuming Iupati is good enough to bench your pro bowl tackle and move your pro bowl caliber guard?
Part of the whole problem... assuming gets you nowhere.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 2:48 pm to eyeran
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Like assuming Iupati is good enough to bench your pro bowl tackle and move your pro bowl caliber guard?
I would let camp competition allow his to happen by i'm not assuming and depending upon a certain scenario to happen in any case.
Iupati at 32 is a BPA that is too good to pass up.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 3:00 pm to Chad504boy
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i'm not assuming and depending upon a certain scenario to happen in any case.
You're assuming on a frickload more scenarios than people wanting to simply draft a DE are. With your many assumptions, your IDEAL scenario is basically a slight improvement at RT (which I'm 95% sure Nicks wouldn't be as good as Stinky) and better depth (with the backup making $4.5m a year, more than you'd like). Plus a likely significant dropoff at OG.
You're laughing at people that assumed Jenkins would be a starter last year (a lot of people didn't), but you're advocating drafting a guy that I'd bet everything I own would be a backup for at least a year, and that's if we don't re-sign Evans. The coaches aren't nearly stupid enough to shuffle the whole fricking line for a rookie. That's swell if we have a guy like Iupati is there in 2 years in case Nicks leaves. If you think that's worth having big holes at DE and DT on a team that has all the other pieces to repeat, that's your issue.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 3:06 pm to THRILLHO
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You're assuming on a frickload more scenarios than people wanting to simply draft a DE are. With your many assumptions, your IDEAL scenario is basically a slight improvement at RT (which I'm 95% sure Nicks wouldn't be as good as Stinky) and better depth (with the backup making $4.5m a year, more than you'd like). Plus a likely significant dropoff at OG.
We slightly one the nfccg. Just saying, quit disrespecting slightly. He's pissed and isn't going to stand for that disrespect.
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You're laughing at people that assumed Jenkins would be a starter last year (a lot of people didn't), but you're advocating drafting a guy that I'd bet everything I own would be a backup for at least a year, and that's if we don't re-sign Evans. The coaches aren't nearly stupid enough to shuffle the whole fricking line for a rookie. That's swell if we have a guy like Iupati is there in 2 years in case Nicks leaves. If you think that's worth having big holes at DE and DT on a team that has all the other pieces to repeat, that's your issue.
I've been laughing at people who wanted jenkins from day 1. I was more of a clay matthews guy which would be solving the problems you guys are whining about right now anyways.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 3:24 pm to eyeran
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Oline of the year
We're already gonna frick with it bringing brown back.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 3:28 pm to Chad504boy
Yeah. Who needs another pro bowler?
Posted on 3/25/10 at 3:33 pm to Chad504boy
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We're already gonna frick with it bringing brown back.
Yes. Upgrading at LT is going to frick with our OL.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 3:33 pm to Chad504boy
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I was more of a clay matthews guy which would be solving the problems you guys are whining about right now anyways.
First of all, Matthews doesn't play DE. Second, for someone ragging on assumptions people are making about our draft, you're making a big one that people "whining" about needing a DE wanted to draft Jenkins.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 3:40 pm to THRILLHO
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You want to bench a guy who had a good year last season and fricking owned the best LDE in the NFL in the biggest game of the year via moving a guy whose proven to be a fantastic guard to OT all for a rookie? Jesus, your plan could literally downgrade 3 positions at once (OT, OG, McCray or Ayodele's replacement).
+1
Posted on 3/25/10 at 3:53 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
Why is everyone suddenly a huge Stinchomb fan?
Nicks deserved the probowl mire than he did.
Stinch is also the same guy the team was willing to let walk if he could find any deal better than the lowball one we threw at him.
Not saying he shouldn't be on the team but i'm not opposed to upgrading either.
Nicks deserved the probowl mire than he did.
Stinch is also the same guy the team was willing to let walk if he could find any deal better than the lowball one we threw at him.
Not saying he shouldn't be on the team but i'm not opposed to upgrading either.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:06 pm to jacks40
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Stinch is also the same guy the team was willing to let walk if he could find any deal better than the lowball one we threw at him.
You mean like Vilma? The guy has gone from sub-par but acceptable starter to a legit fringe probowler and still has 4 years left at decent starting RT money.
ETA: he's an amazing screen pass downfield blocker, which is pretty big given how we've been using it so much.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:19 pm to THRILLHO
quote:Well said.
he's an amazing screen pass downfield blocker, which is pretty big given how we've been using it so much.
Chadboy is drunk FWIW. His ideas usually are not this completly stupid.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:35 pm to THRILLHO
No nothing like Vilma. You are either reaching very far to try and make a point or being stupid for comparing those 2 players and situations.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 8:02 am to blueslover
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Whose Draft Stock Rising Will Help the Saints Most
Previously projected second round cornerbacks such as Kyle Wilson are making a push into the first round. I'm hoping he and a couple others jump ahead of a highly rated DT/DE/OLB.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 8:16 am to coldhotwings
1. Cody DT
2. Benn WR
3. Best RB
May they rise like yeast.
2. Benn WR
3. Best RB
May they rise like yeast.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 9:34 am to eyeran
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Sorry, you dont bench your pro bowl starter to take a gamble on a rookie guard from Idaho
not to mention Stinch is probably the smartest guy on the team.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 12:17 pm to THRILLHO
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your plan could literally downgrade 3 positions at once
Posted on 3/27/10 at 3:02 pm to Shankopotomus
this was about a hijack for the I U potty plan.
Here's where it started-
Have been analyzing who could fall a lot. But what makes players fall is others rising. Whose draft stock do we want to be rising to push up into the top 31 and nudge our favorites down?
Here ya go, cheer them on-
Colt McCoy
Tim Tebow
any WR beyond Bryant- Tate, LaFell, Benn
Ryan Matthews
Jahvid Best
G Mike Iupati
LBs Sergio Kindle and Jerry Hughes, Hughes might work here but they both look more prototypical 3-4 to me
CB McCourty
not unbelieveable to see CBs Franks or Jackson slip in
OTs are always premiumly valued, there's a few that are at the 1st/2nd margin. Pull for Campbell, Davis, Ducasse, Brown, and Saffold to get a call before #32
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I'm following up supposing half of those slip into Rd 1. That will leave 21 more slots.
I'd make the following my no way at all they could make it to #32-
Suh, McCoy, Berry, Bradford, Okung, Bulaga, Derrick Morgan, Spiller, Haden, Bryant, McClain, Clausen, Trent Williams, Dan Williams, Earl Thomas, Pierre-Paul, Brandon Graham, Kyle Wilson, and Earl Thomas.
That's 19. That leaves 2 spots unfilled (half the first group 1st Rd supposition). If you leave off that whole first list (of the half that don't get in) that would leave the following list for 2 picks then the Saints choice-
Taylor Mays
Sean Weatherspoon
Everson Griffen
Carlos Dunlap
Jared Odrick
Brian Price
I'd add Pouncey and Gresham as legitimate possibilities to that list
For two of those gone before the Saints I'd have to put down Odrick and -the second is difficult. Could be anyone of them.
All in all it bodes for a not so bad selection choice when it rolls around.
Here's where it started-
Have been analyzing who could fall a lot. But what makes players fall is others rising. Whose draft stock do we want to be rising to push up into the top 31 and nudge our favorites down?
Here ya go, cheer them on-
Colt McCoy
Tim Tebow
any WR beyond Bryant- Tate, LaFell, Benn
Ryan Matthews
Jahvid Best
G Mike Iupati
LBs Sergio Kindle and Jerry Hughes, Hughes might work here but they both look more prototypical 3-4 to me
CB McCourty
not unbelieveable to see CBs Franks or Jackson slip in
OTs are always premiumly valued, there's a few that are at the 1st/2nd margin. Pull for Campbell, Davis, Ducasse, Brown, and Saffold to get a call before #32
--------------------
I'm following up supposing half of those slip into Rd 1. That will leave 21 more slots.
I'd make the following my no way at all they could make it to #32-
Suh, McCoy, Berry, Bradford, Okung, Bulaga, Derrick Morgan, Spiller, Haden, Bryant, McClain, Clausen, Trent Williams, Dan Williams, Earl Thomas, Pierre-Paul, Brandon Graham, Kyle Wilson, and Earl Thomas.
That's 19. That leaves 2 spots unfilled (half the first group 1st Rd supposition). If you leave off that whole first list (of the half that don't get in) that would leave the following list for 2 picks then the Saints choice-
Taylor Mays
Sean Weatherspoon
Everson Griffen
Carlos Dunlap
Jared Odrick
Brian Price
I'd add Pouncey and Gresham as legitimate possibilities to that list
For two of those gone before the Saints I'd have to put down Odrick and -the second is difficult. Could be anyone of them.
All in all it bodes for a not so bad selection choice when it rolls around.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 10:41 pm to blueslover
I'm adding the BC center Tennant as a possible slip up into the first rounder that would help the Saints.
If Weatherspoon is gone and they still want a LB and go Washington I'm feeling more n more comfortable about it. He could be a day one WLB starter over Shanlee.
Pouncey stock is rising too. I think he is looking more elite/dominant. A day one, plug him in at center for ten years guy. Thus, less likely around at #32 but I would not be disappointed at all if he was the pick.
If Weatherspoon is gone and they still want a LB and go Washington I'm feeling more n more comfortable about it. He could be a day one WLB starter over Shanlee.
Pouncey stock is rising too. I think he is looking more elite/dominant. A day one, plug him in at center for ten years guy. Thus, less likely around at #32 but I would not be disappointed at all if he was the pick.
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