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re: New respect for Livingston Parish Schools
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:29 am to Lsut81
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:29 am to Lsut81
Simple.. I just dont see how you are so fricking dense..
If it is about a TEAM then how is a girl wearing a PINK TEAM jersey sent home?
HOW? Just answer that fricking question.. You really have a few issues dont you?
If it is about a TEAM then how is a girl wearing a PINK TEAM jersey sent home?
HOW? Just answer that fricking question.. You really have a few issues dont you?
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Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:30 am to Catman88
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It is exactly that!
So it's ONLY about the colors? This had nothing to do with the SuperBowl? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree at this point. Saints are in the SuperBowl and we shouldn't be fighting over something so stupid
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:31 am to Lsut81
So......if on July 4th (or veterans day) they allow kids to where patriotic clothes in lieu of the uniform,,,,,,,,,,can some douche from France or Germany or Korea wear their Nation's colors?
No. Follow the rules or GTFO!!!
No. Follow the rules or GTFO!!!
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:31 am to Catman88
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If the rule is applied equally to all then there is ZERO case for the ACLU.
Actually, this is wrong. I swear to God you people seem to be ignoring the most important point in this debate, which I have made three or four times now.
Let's take a different example.....flag burning.
A flag is a symbol, and thus burning the flag is symbolic. Therefore, you cannot pass a law preventing the burning of a flag because you would be censoring the specific symbolic CONTENT.
You could prevent this action in myriad other ways. For example, you could make a law that bans public fires. You could make a law that bans political protests without a permit. Etc.
In the case of the school, it seems to me that if they allowed one football jersey to be worn, they would have to allow all football jerseys to be worn. It is all or nothing. You cannot say that only one type of jersey can be worn. That is CONTENT BASED.
Now again...the rules with regards to public schools are blurry. In the Hazelwood case, the Supreme Court ruled that school newspapers have no right to free speech. It is unclear whether or not this means no student has free speech rights in public schools.
So its a gray area. BUT, once again, this type of rule goes directly against pretty much everything the First Amendment stands for.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:32 am to TigerinATL
The reason they relaxed the rules has ZERO to do with this case. Stop trying to deny the fact that the rule put in place was applied EQUALLY for all. They could wear black or white..
Had the kid wore a black and gold COLTS jersey and was sent home you have a case.. However EVERYONE not wearing the correct dress was sent home.
Had the kid wore a black and gold COLTS jersey and was sent home you have a case.. However EVERYONE not wearing the correct dress was sent home.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:32 am to Catman88
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Simple.. I just dont see how you are so fricking dense..
Catman, you are the one who is being dense. You keep repeating the same argument over and over again without addressing the main point of the ACLU's argument.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:33 am to Catman88
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:33 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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So......if on July 4th (or veterans day) they allow kids to where patriotic clothes in lieu of the uniform,,,,,,,,,,can some douche from France or Germany or Korea wear their Nation's colors?
Yes.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:34 am to TxTiger82
The rule said they could wear jerseys now and not just colors?? You have a link to the exact rule and how it was relaxed?
So you are also saying that the banning of any shirt that can disrupt discipline in a school is allowed any time a school has a jean day?
So you are also saying that the banning of any shirt that can disrupt discipline in a school is allowed any time a school has a jean day?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:35 am to Catman88
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If it is about a TEAM then how is a girl wearing a PINK TEAM jersey sent home?
I'm gonna type this extremely slow so maybe you can follow... Go back about a page and read my post, I said I have no fricking issue with the enforcement of the rule but the actual rule itself.
"Black and Gold Day" was set to target a certain set of individuals, those that root for the Saints. How fricking difficult would it have been to have "Superbowl Day"???
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You really have a few issues dont you?
Yes I do
Coming from the guy that is getting uppity over the issue
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:35 am to Catman88
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Stop trying to deny the fact that the rule put in place was applied EQUALLY for all.
I'm not. I think I've plainly stated that the rule was stupid, not that it was applied incorrectly. And since someone pointed out the rule was put in place by the school board and not the principal, then the blame shifts down the line to them. Sounds like the principal was just following his stupid orders, although at the very least I hope he called the school board and asked if they really wanted to deny a kid a day of education because of the stupid rule they made.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 11:37 am
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:35 am to Catman88
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The reason they relaxed the rules has ZERO to do with this case. Stop trying to deny the fact that the rule put in place was applied EQUALLY for all.
Once again, that means absolutely nothing.
I could pass a law preventing hate speech in public places, and enforce that law equally for everybody.
It would still be unconstitutional. Indeed, the USSC said as much in a Minnesota case.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:36 am to TxTiger82
And you have yet to answer the question.. Why are they defending the boy and not the girl?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:37 am to TigerinATL
But you blame the principal? The principal didnt create the rule? He only enforced it which you agree with
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:37 am to Catman88
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The rule said they could wear jerseys now and not just colors??
Presumably, you could wear Saints colors any day of the week. This was about jerseys.
For example, I doubt the kid would have been sent home for simply wearing a blue and white shirt. I have lots of blue and white shirts. I could have worn a blue and white shirt because I simply forgot it was black and gold day. I could have worn it because I don't care about the Super Bowl and didn't want to participate.
The kid wore a jersey, and that is the point.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:37 am to Catman88
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And you have yet to answer the question.. Why are they defending the boy and not the girl?
They should also be defending the girl.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:39 am to TxTiger82
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I have lots of blue and white shirts. I could have worn a blue and white shirt because I simply forgot it was black and gold day.
This is a LA public school though.. They should have uniforms otherwise.. IF you wore a blue and white shirt you would have to be intentionally breaking the rules.
Do we know that this one public school doesnt normally have a uniform?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:39 am to Catman88
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But you blame the principal? The principal didnt create the rule? He only enforced it which you agree with
At this point I can only assume you're just trying to start shite
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And since someone pointed out the rule was put in place by the school board and not the principal, then the blame shifts down the line to them.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:40 am to TxTiger82
the uniform is a plain white collar or plain navy blue collar...and khaki pant fwiw.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:41 am to TxTiger82
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I could have worn it because I don't care about the Super Bowl and didn't want to participate.
Im guessing you are not taking into account that in LA almost all public schools have a uniform they wear every day.
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