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Why Doesn't LSU Basketball Have National Appeal

Posted on 2/3/10 at 7:00 am
Posted by Green Ram 2
Snellville, Ga
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/3/10 at 7:00 am
as far as recruiting is concerned like in the late 80's. It puzzles me that LSU was in the mix of lots of All Americans back then. Is it that the athletic dept. knows what the cash cow is now and won't put emphasis on the hardcourt. Some schools are a two headed monster.
Posted by Navtiger1
Washington
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 2/3/10 at 7:21 am to
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Some schools are a two headed monster.


So is LSU "baseball & Football"
Basketball will probably always be the third sport at LSU. Competitive some years, but never dominant.
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/3/10 at 9:55 am to
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Basketball will probably always be the third sport at LSU. Competitive some years, but never dominant.


you realize that lsu was one of the best in the sec every year for about 15 years from the late 70's to early 90s? they were one of the national programs that everybody kept an eye on. its not like that can't happen again.
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/3/10 at 9:57 am to
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Is it that the athletic dept. knows what the cash cow is now and won't put emphasis on the hardcourt.


have you not seen the new practice facility behind the pmac?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/3/10 at 10:21 am to
I never understood why the SEC doesnt dominate in basketball recruiting like it does in football. The athletes are from the same demographic. Or do all the best players just leave the area? (KY the exception)
Posted by Lacour
Member since Nov 2009
32949 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 10:51 am to
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I never understood why the SEC doesnt dominate in basketball recruiting like it does in football.


I would imagine that coaches from the ACC, Big East and so forth use the old "you don't want to go to an SEC school. All they care about is football."

Come to Syracuse, Georgetown, NC, Duke, Wake. "We put basketball first."

If I were a top recruit in basketball, I probably wouldn't go to LSU. If I did it would only be because my love for the Tigers outweighed my desire to play at a place that is passionate about basketball like LSU is about football.
Posted by cjgulina
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2005
1822 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 11:22 am to
If anything the Athletic Department has shown more emphasis on basketball in recent years than in the past 20 years.

Renovated the entire PMAC
Didnt accept mediocrocy- Fired Brady
Hired a proven coach
New practice facility

IMO, the future for LSU basketball looks great!
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 11:24 am to
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I mean if you top 100 you will start at Arky, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, OM, MSU, USC, GA, Vandy, Tenn. You may not start at an ACC school.

This makes no sense. Top recruits go to basketball schools for the same reason top football recruits go to football schools.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/3/10 at 11:28 am to
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Basketball will probably always be the third sport at LSU.


there was a time when basketball was first. and we don't need to rank football, baseball, and basketball, we can go out and support our LSU student athletes regardless of what sport they play or the overall status of the program, but fickle front running LSU fans can't seem to do that.
Posted by GT
BR
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 2/3/10 at 11:44 am to
but most of the very best bb players will stay no more thgan 2 years but most football recruits stay for 4 years. LSU has a long and prestigous basketball program but not at the same level as the so called Basketball Schools
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 12:03 pm to
Lately the Big East and ACC have superior TV contracts, and, as other people said, they put basketball first.

There was a while on ESPN and CBS that there was only maybe 2 nationally-televised SEC games per week, and both games were usually "Kentucky vs. Other." It's hard for people across the country to want to come here when they never see you.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
49118 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 12:19 pm to
The difference is Dale Brown. ppl can dispute his coaching ability, I won't get into that pissing contest. But their is no denying the appeal he had on a national level. The media absolutely ate the guy up, an LSU basketball went along for the ride.
Posted by The Cable Guy
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9692 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 12:22 pm to
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It puzzles me that LSU was in the mix of lots of All Americans back then.


Easier to pay off the recruits during that period.

But if we gain some momentum, maybe reach 3-5 NCAA's in a row, the players will notice.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
13710 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 12:28 pm to
cause they stink?
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
21082 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 12:39 pm to
this is simple.

I was thinking about this the other night while watching the Georgetown - Syracuse game on tv. Thinking specifically about Greg Monroe and why he would leave LA to go all the way to DC and play at Georgetown. If you watched the game, 'cuse was a packed house with 20k screaming orange fans and the atmosphere was awesome. The same week, I flipped over to CST to check out the LSU game against Ole Miss and saw a half empty PMac with a lackluster crowd atmosphere.

If I was a recruit and had attended both of those games, where do you think I would want to go?
Posted by Old Smokey
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
3588 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 12:43 pm to
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Why Doesn't LSU Basketball Have National Appeal
as far as recruiting is concerned like in the late 80's. It puzzles me that LSU was in the mix of lots of All Americans back then.



I can think of two things that impacted the bb program.

Lester Earl brought the program heavy sanctions with his accusations. Many years later, he recanted and said that he'd lied to the NCAA. The sanctions spooked top recruits and they went elsewhere.

Dale Brown, as a result of LSU's downfall, "retired." I doubt that anyone could have brought in top talent then. John Brady was hired and was able to bring in several top recruits over the years, but couldn't "sell" the program like Dale Brown.

In addition to being a coach, Dale was a great publicist. He was often in the news, sometimes for audacious comments, like seeing Bobby Knight in a restaurant and saying that if Knight came by him, he'd trip Bobby, jump on him, and beat the hell out of him. On his vacations, he attempted to find Noah's ark once, and to meet with then head of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev and achieve world peace while recruiting young Russian star Arvidas Sabonis.

Dale sold LSU's bb program on a national and on an international level. That's a hard act to follow.
Posted by Shankopotomus
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Posted on 2/3/10 at 12:57 pm to
good post Smokey, add that to my post and I think it becomes pretty darn clear
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 1:20 pm to
Having only 3 good teams in 60 years will do that.

Maravich is dead. Shaq is gone. Thomas is gone.

Most years, LSU is an afterthought in hoops.

National appeal requires either a very very good team or a very interesting player.

LSU presently has neither and has no national appeal.
Previous posters comments about the coaches is why the past was as it was. Here we are now. Trent has a nice class coming in.

Its not true that its only football.
LSU baseball is hot. LSU track is hot.
LSU was actually among the top 25 the past year, in the
"overall sports program" category, FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.
North Carolina won for the first time.
Stanford was 2nd. Stanford won the previous 17 years in a row.
Multiple national championships in men's and women's sports.
golf, tennis, swimming. LSU plays all those. Stanford wins the national championships. Tiger Woods? McEnroe?



This post was edited on 2/3/10 at 1:23 pm
Posted by cjgulina
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2005
1822 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 1:27 pm to
Top 25 for the 1st time ever for best overall sports program?

Not sure what you're talking about but we have been near the top 10 in the directors cup for several years in a row now, with this past year being our highest ranking ever.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 1:30 pm to
Louisiana is among the top football states, per capita.

Louisiana is NOT among the top 10 basketball states.



You cant have EVERYTHING. Louisiana is very hot for baseball, for instance.

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