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Coach Stud
Posted on 12/15/09 at 9:44 am
Posted on 12/15/09 at 9:44 am
I dont mean to :beatdeadhorse: but what is Miles' reasons for keeping Coach Stud on board? I'm not looking to start another thread just bashing and belittling this coach. Im seriously asking for some positive qualities or signs from this coach that the OL will improve.
Anyone?
Anyone?
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Posted on 12/15/09 at 10:00 am to Big Fat
Miles is loyal to a fault. He thinks by doing things like this that it will reinforce his reputation of having "class" and "high character"... meanwhile, Rome burns.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 10:08 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Does anybody have what the O-lineman graded out for his time? Just curious.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 10:26 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Miles is loyal to a fault. He thinks by doing things like this that it will reinforce his reputation of having "class" and "high character"... meanwhile, Rome burns.
Yep..that's why we have the same defensive staff as '08.
Miles obviously does not believe the woes are attributable to poor coaching, or at least that its the idea that Stud IS a poor coach. He will either be correct or he will risk his job.
The idea that ANY of us are capable of evaluating OL coaching by looking at the OL performance is a bit knee jerk. I do understand the frustration, but its likely to be more complex than that.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 10:29 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:As I see it, poor performance can only be 3 things:
The idea that ANY of us are capable of evaluating OL coaching by looking at the OL performance is a bit knee jerk. I do understand the frustration, but its likely to be more complex than that.
1. recruiting (evaluating talent)
2. technique (coaching/ player development)
3. scheme (coaching/ creative blocking assignments,etc)
Posted on 12/15/09 at 10:37 am to Big Fat
If Stud couldn't line up another gig, Miles isn't going to fire him. You can bank on that.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 10:37 am to Big Fat
I vote #3: scheme (coaching/ creative blocking assignments,etc)
No offensive identity. When Crowton came in 2007 we played I formation and power with a little pistol. Now I, spread, pistol, option....
I would think CM would know something about OL coaching since he played the position. Oh well.
No offensive identity. When Crowton came in 2007 we played I formation and power with a little pistol. Now I, spread, pistol, option....
I would think CM would know something about OL coaching since he played the position. Oh well.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 10:50 am to Big Fat
quote:
As I see it, poor performance can only be 3 things:
You may be correct, but if its that easy we should all be making 6 figures as assistant coaches. I am NOT "supporting" Stud. I just recognize that there are things I do not know. The final performance is the HC's responsibility. I think we all believe that if this is not "fixed", then Miles will likely be gone soon. I'll leave it to him to decide how it is repaired.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 12:11 pm to Big Fat
I'm not sure Studrawa is a good coach... but I'm not so sure he's bad either. I'm somewhat inclined to think he's a victim of circumstance.
On the one hand, signs that Stud may not be good:
1) o-line performance has declined this year
2) too many penalties, especially false starts
Mitigating factors:
1) offensive philosophy is diluted to the point where the players are asked to remember and do too many things instead of focusing on basics (I would say with all the formations, etc. that the fault is more with Crowton than Stud).
2) Replacing Herman Johnson & Brett Helms with Dworacyk (sp?) and T-Bob made us smaller, less experienced, and arguably just not as good, temporarily anyway.
Signs that Stud may actually be good:
1) Porter thinks enough of him to have made 2 attempts to hire him away... and not just as o-line coach, but as o-coordinator.
2) Was a good enough o-line coach to be promoted to o-coordinator at Bowling Green after Urban Meyer left.
3) The o-line improved as the season went on. Whether this was due to adjustments in coaching/schemes, or due to some younger players getting on the field (Blackwell, Hurst & Lonergan), the o-line clearly did improve. And if it is these younger players that provided a spark to the o-line, then Stud must be doing something right for them to be able to come in and contribute in a positive way without having any experience.
It's very easy to say the o-line is not as good as last year or the year before and say "let's change the coach". For me, I'm simply not sure he's the problem. I think there is a more fundamental problem with the offense that leads to confusion and poor execution.
On the one hand, signs that Stud may not be good:
1) o-line performance has declined this year
2) too many penalties, especially false starts
Mitigating factors:
1) offensive philosophy is diluted to the point where the players are asked to remember and do too many things instead of focusing on basics (I would say with all the formations, etc. that the fault is more with Crowton than Stud).
2) Replacing Herman Johnson & Brett Helms with Dworacyk (sp?) and T-Bob made us smaller, less experienced, and arguably just not as good, temporarily anyway.
Signs that Stud may actually be good:
1) Porter thinks enough of him to have made 2 attempts to hire him away... and not just as o-line coach, but as o-coordinator.
2) Was a good enough o-line coach to be promoted to o-coordinator at Bowling Green after Urban Meyer left.
3) The o-line improved as the season went on. Whether this was due to adjustments in coaching/schemes, or due to some younger players getting on the field (Blackwell, Hurst & Lonergan), the o-line clearly did improve. And if it is these younger players that provided a spark to the o-line, then Stud must be doing something right for them to be able to come in and contribute in a positive way without having any experience.
It's very easy to say the o-line is not as good as last year or the year before and say "let's change the coach". For me, I'm simply not sure he's the problem. I think there is a more fundamental problem with the offense that leads to confusion and poor execution.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:11 pm to epbart
Crowton's offense has sort of forced us into the type of blocking spread offenses use; simply put, the scheme of this year's o-line was different than from 2007. If we got rid of Crowton for a more pro-style OC, than I could see the o-line getting better already from scheme.
However, I am not gonna just give Stud a pass. If he would re-evaluate each player next year and start guys like Blackwell, Hurst, or someone else bigger at guard/center, than I think that he could gain a little job security.
However, I am not gonna just give Stud a pass. If he would re-evaluate each player next year and start guys like Blackwell, Hurst, or someone else bigger at guard/center, than I think that he could gain a little job security.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 11:09 pm to Big Fat
I still think we will be improved. I was very impressed with his most recent interview. I think they screwed themselves for sticking with the two seniors even when they were having horrible games, not saying they played bad all year, but get younger guys some fricking reps. T-bobs injury last season was slowing him down toward the end of the year since he wasnt back to %100. Let us see what happens in the bowl game.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 11:25 pm to south bama tiger
quote:
Crowton's offense has sort of forced us into the type of blocking spread offenses use; simply put, the scheme of this year's o-line was different than from 2007. If we got rid of Crowton for a more pro-style OC, than I could see the o-line getting better already from scheme.
Stud ran a spread offense as OL coach and OC at Bowling Green before coming here. If he fails at spread blocking, he'll fail at I form blocking too.
Also, a poster named Big Fat starting this Stud thread made me chuckle.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:07 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
The idea that ANY of us are capable of evaluating OL coaching by looking at the OL performance is a bit of a knee jerk. I do understand the frustration, but its likely to be more complex than that.
agee 100%. plus miles is an old lineman and he's coached offenses for a long time. i think he knows the problems and has been trying to get them fixed. it's likely that the problems are multiple in nature. for one, we had a center that was a rookie. OL is not something that is learned overnight. the BEST high schoolers get red shirted for a reason. it's likely to be '11 before that position really gets good again; the attrition and missing on some recruits have killed us there.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
If Stud couldn't line up another gig, Miles isn't going to fire him. You can bank on that.
i do not agree with this statement at all. yes, miles cares for his coaches and helps them land other jobs as evidenced by last years deal. that is the only fact we know. miles will fire a coach if that coach is a problem. hell, he fired macarthy this year. this is studs third year; miles knows what kind of coach he is. i would think a whole lot of worse of miles if he fired stud because this board wants him fired.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:32 am to LSU GrandDad
a third year sophmore is a rookie?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:46 am to Maximus
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a third year sophmore is a rookie?
Technically no. But the guy hadn't seen a snap on a non-special teams play and missed half of the year and spring due to an ACL injury. So, his point still stands.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:54 am to Big Fat
Thank god Mallory and Peveto were able to find jobs. Makes you wonder, would we still have them if they didn't?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:19 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:Do you think our coaches believe that they missed on some recruits? If so, they haven't given any others a chance to play the position. We just stuck with our upperclassmen. We blocked like we had roller skates on.
OL is not something that is learned overnight. the BEST high schoolers get red shirted for a reason. it's likely to be '11 before that position really gets good again; the attrition and missing on some recruits have killed us there.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:09 pm to moneyg
quote:
But the guy hadn't seen a snap on a non-special teams play
not at all true but lets make more excuses
Posted on 12/16/09 at 1:23 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
but if its that easy we should all be making 6 figures as assistant coaches
recognizing a problem is not the same as fixing that problem
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