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re: Now that LSU football has fallen back to the pack
Posted on 12/11/09 at 6:47 pm to RCDfan1950
Posted on 12/11/09 at 6:47 pm to RCDfan1950
To the author of this post, who I figure is very young, if Tennessee kicks one of those field goals v. Bama, or if Auburn makes one stop, would Saban be less of a coach? Is your answer going to be, "but they won", isn't that the same as what Miles has done.
If LSU goes 8-4 next year, I would tend to agree that maybe Miles does not have it. I see improvement even with a young QB who will be much better next year and a full five year (no first year 15 scholly problems left by the previous coach) recruiting classes of Miles. I see much improvement coming with the two newest hires. The fact that one left Tennessee and another is leaving Fla. is a sign that our fans distaste of Miles is not matched by coaches around the country. Nor is the feeling of recruits who seem to want to be at LSU coached by Miles.
If LSU goes 8-4 next year, I would tend to agree that maybe Miles does not have it. I see improvement even with a young QB who will be much better next year and a full five year (no first year 15 scholly problems left by the previous coach) recruiting classes of Miles. I see much improvement coming with the two newest hires. The fact that one left Tennessee and another is leaving Fla. is a sign that our fans distaste of Miles is not matched by coaches around the country. Nor is the feeling of recruits who seem to want to be at LSU coached by Miles.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 7:22 pm to uway
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So?
I still want to know how you feel now that we are an average program.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 7:40 pm to Choctaw
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And what's the common denominator in those two years? Rookie, freshman QB's. How many teams have flourished with rookie QB's? Go ask how USC or OU how easy it is.
Having a rookie freshman QB for one year is a sign of bad recruiting. Having them in back-to-back years (which we didn't, since Jefferson is a sophomore--see below) is a sign of bad recruiting and even worse player development.
And again, for the umpteenth time, Jordan Jefferson has more career starts right now than either Matt Mauck or Matt Flynn had going into 2003 or 2007, and three times as many as Jamarcus Russell had going into 2005. After the bowl game, he will have two less career starts than Russell had going into 2006. He had more career starts coming into this year than Alabama's McElroy did, and more than Matt Leinart had going into 2003 for USC. He has more career starts right now than Tom Hodson had AFTER he had already led us to an SEC championship in 1986 as a redshirt freshman coming off of elbow surgery. The youth excuse, by definition, has to wear out eventually, if it is ever even valid in the first place.
This post was edited on 12/11/09 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 12/11/09 at 7:43 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I wonder what the other 97% of FBS teams ranked under us must be?
Hopefully going to class enough to know that 107 is not 97% of 120.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 7:47 pm to craignettles
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a young QB who will be much better next year
Why? Is he much better now than he was last year? If so, how? Where do you see improvement?
Posted on 12/11/09 at 9:13 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Hopefully going to class enough to know that 107 is not 97% of 120.
Typo and thanks for catching it.
Your post doesn't address or dispute any of my comments, but then that wasn't your intent.
I have to ask, what satisfaction or entertainment or whatever do you gain by referring to the coach of the school you are nuts over as "stupid"? I mean, I get that you upset with the man or his actions, but what purpose is served by making such remarks toward one of your own?
Each to our own, but I really don't see the need.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 9:32 pm to rumtumtiger
Yeah....an average team that came away with a winning season, who should have one at least two of it's losses, who is going to the best bowl game outside of the BCS, and if it wins against Penn St. will have won a total of 100 games this decade and lost only 30. Thats uh.....yeah thats pretty average.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 9:33 pm to WHS
if thats average, than damn i wich we were above it!
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:25 am to uway
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uway
Don't waste your time. They just don't get it and never will. It was the same when Archer was coach. They didn't get it until the team was in such a poor state that it took over a decade to recover.
When more players begin to realize that Miles is a coach who will lose no fewer than 2 games a season and doesn't have the skill to legitimately compete for championships (without an ungodly fluke), the talent that he gets by with will drop off. Then, supercoach will have to actually beat people with his mind, which he certainly cannot. Then, when we become a perennial 7-5 team or have a losing season or two, they MIGHT finally understand. Of course, by then, the team will be one that requires 4-5 years of rebuilding.
Oh, but they'll all get their free ticket to heaven for being "real" fans. I'm sure the same people would all would stay married even if their wives became the neighborhood party hole.
Seriously, stupid people can't recognize stupidity because they're, ya know, stupid. Trying to reason with the stupid is a losing prospect.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:31 am to blueboy
they are in transition... and far from the bottom of the pack
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:53 am to uway
According to your definition of an elite program, you must more than one championship every five years. Tell me, because you seem like the typical sabanite, is bama an elite program?
According to your definition, they aren't.
According to your definition, they aren't.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 1:13 am to blueboy
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They just don't get it and never will.
Oh, I get it. You can see the future and its doom and gloom and you want me to visit it with you. Thanks, but no thanks.
Look, we might win only 3 games next yr. I don't know, you don't know, and neither does anyone else. I do know we have won 51 in 5 yrs, a national title, west titles, SEC title, we 4-0 in bowl games, had 3 top 5 finishes, we getting ready to play Penn St on New Year Day, and with a win have a shot at 4 10 win seasons in 5 yrs and 4 top 10 finishes in 5 yrs. If you want to forecast doom & gloom from that, knock yourself out. I'll just enjoy our current success if you don't mind cause there is nothing I can do bout it one way or the other.
This post was edited on 12/12/09 at 1:32 am
Posted on 12/12/09 at 5:58 am to BBATiger
10-3 isnt worth a shite if you dont win the west.
So whats your point?
So whats your point?
Posted on 12/12/09 at 6:53 am to Nuts4LSU
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And again, for the umpteenth time, Jordan Jefferson has more career starts right now than either Matt Mauck or Matt Flynn had going into 2003 or 2007, and three times as many as Jamarcus Russell had going into 2005.
Flawed logic, but of course, you think starting true frosh is a good thing. You can see JJ competes quite well with your legends of the past in early stages of their development. Most of the legends early playing time came in mop up over inferior defences, not in a pressure cooker like JJ's.
Jefferson:
TFrosh 2starts, 7gm, 36-71-1int, 419yds, 4td
Soph 11starts,169/272-6int, 1954yds, 62.1%, 16td
QB Rating: 137.79 Touchdowns/Ints: 16/6
Yds Rushing: 160
Russell:
Rsf 4starts, 11gm, 73-144-4int 1053yds, 9td
Soph12starts, 188-311, 9int, 2443yds, 60.5%,15td 136.6rat, Touchdowns/Ints: 15/9
Jr 13starts, 232-342-8int, 3129yds, 28td
Flynn:
0start, 12gm, 4-10-0int, 99yds, 1td
1start, 13gm, 27-48-1int 457yds, 7td
0start, 13gm, 12-20-1int, 133yds, 2td
12starts, 12gm, 202-359, 11int, 2407yds, 21td
Mauck:
Rsf 0start 3gm 18-41 - 2int, 224yds, 0td
Soph 6starts 63-130 -2int, 782yds, 9td
Jr 14starts 229-358-14int, 2825yds, 28td
As for your comment on bad recruiting- we had top pick in RP. I guess that was Miles fault also.
Again I say GTFO and root for somebody else if you think LSU sucks.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 7:11 am to Mayhawman
There is no question JJ has done a great job this year. His stats would be even better if we could run the ball. I like the way he gets away from presure, and extends the play. His Oline was not very good and he still put up very good numbers for a Soph.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 7:44 am to uway
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he sky isn't falling. We just aren't an elite team anymore. But you watch the games, so you don't need me to tell you that. I just wanted to know how everyone felt about it.
What are you going to talk about this time next year when Nicky Boy is not in the top ten?
There is no team even when the Bear was around played for the NC every year like some Bama fan will try to talk themselves into believing. LSU is not perfect like some of you all would like to see every year, it goes in cycles every two years or so. LSU had a great run over the last decade and that in itself is remarkable considering LSU's history. All you have to do is go back and look what happened over the years it was 50 years before LSU won their second NC and then 3 years later they get another which was luck considering the two losses, but thewy had the best team that year so the best team won. Everyone needs luck to win an NC I do not care who it is. that is why you do not see repeat winners, they are rare. You will not see what Fla. St. and Bobby Bowden did ever again with ten years of being in the top 5 every year not with the parity that is in College football today. So considering all the parity LSU is doing great considering our history and hopefully we will do better next year. Only one can win each year and that leaves 118 teams saying wait till next year! To finish in the top ten of 119 teams is not a bad record if we did that for ten years in a row. You will be one the first to say we where the first team to go ten years in a row if LSU does it, so quit your belly aching everything will be alright.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:43 am to CaseyMc2
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To finish in the top ten of 119 teams is not a bad record if we did that for ten years in a row
What's the point of that if you can't win an SEC championship? Can't yall just accept that for some people (Miles included, by his words), the point is to win SEC championships?
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You will be one the first to say we where the first team to go ten years in a row if LSU does it
What?
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so quit your belly aching everything will be alright
Things are fine as they are right now, b/c I've lowered my expectations after watching ugly football every week. 5 seasons of that is enough for me.
Do this: go back over the last 5 years and pick out the games that you felt like LSU played up to potential and really put an opponent away. Leave out the North Texas and ULL's of the world. Bowl games, VT, ... what else you got?
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:00 am to uway
You tell me who has done all the things that want LSU to do over that same 5 year period.
I'll tell you no body has. You are looking for unrealistic things for a team to do. They can not and will not win the SEC every year, not even Bama will do that and has not done that. How many teams has won the SEC over the last ten years? enough to know that the same team has not won it every year not even close. The way we have a CG at the end of the year just about denies 11 teams from playing in the NCG. There will be a year when not one SEC team will be playing for NC, when? I do not know but it is going to happen. The SEC has been up for a good many years now, but it is coming when the SEC will be down and another conference will dominate. So just go along for the ride while it is here and enjoy it, it will not last long. Every team, I mean every team has it's ups and downs and you have to take advantage of it when your up and enjoy it while lasts because it will not last long. Ask USC, Okla., Fla. St., ND, it happens to everyone sooner or later. So quit your bitchin' and enjoy it, it will pass and we will be back up again, if you want to say that 9-3 or 10-3 is down. We wher 8-5 twice over the last ten years once under Saban and once under Miles, the only difference is Miles has not lost a bowl game and Saban did.
I'll tell you no body has. You are looking for unrealistic things for a team to do. They can not and will not win the SEC every year, not even Bama will do that and has not done that. How many teams has won the SEC over the last ten years? enough to know that the same team has not won it every year not even close. The way we have a CG at the end of the year just about denies 11 teams from playing in the NCG. There will be a year when not one SEC team will be playing for NC, when? I do not know but it is going to happen. The SEC has been up for a good many years now, but it is coming when the SEC will be down and another conference will dominate. So just go along for the ride while it is here and enjoy it, it will not last long. Every team, I mean every team has it's ups and downs and you have to take advantage of it when your up and enjoy it while lasts because it will not last long. Ask USC, Okla., Fla. St., ND, it happens to everyone sooner or later. So quit your bitchin' and enjoy it, it will pass and we will be back up again, if you want to say that 9-3 or 10-3 is down. We wher 8-5 twice over the last ten years once under Saban and once under Miles, the only difference is Miles has not lost a bowl game and Saban did.
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