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Les Miles to take the same path as Coker, Fulmer & Bowden

Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:44 am
Posted by wryder1
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2008
4192 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:44 am
Win a NC then bring their team down to mediocracy and force the school to find a coach that can hopefully rebuild the program.

Hope I'm wrong
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44594 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:46 am to
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mediocracy


can we vote him out?
Posted by Soft_Parade
Member since Sep 2005
2503 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:47 am to
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Hope I'm wrong


You are not wrong. Hope the powers at be do not let this hangover last beyond 2010.
Posted by Carolinacajun
Davidson County Jail
Member since Oct 2003
12034 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:50 am to
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Hope I'm wrong

You are ,and stop PMSing
Posted by TGHub
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
2251 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:56 am to
Who would ever want to take the same path as Bowden? Those 14 straight yrs of top 5 finishes must have sucked.
Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
1528 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:57 am to
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Les Miles to take the same path as Coker, Fulmer & Bowden
Win a NC then bring their team down to mediocracy and force the school to find a coach that can hopefully rebuild the program.

Hope I'm wrong

How was Tennessee mediocre? Kiffin did pretty well with talent left by Fulmer. Check Fulmer's record at UT.Bobby Bowden finished in Top 5 for 14 consecutive years!
When you played,did ya'll win title every year?
Awaiting your response!
Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
14381 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:05 am to
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Hope I'm wrong


You are.
But as a jackass LSU fan I guess you would have fired Bowden for just finishing in the top 5 instead of winning every game every year.
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
Member since Mar 2007
6615 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:06 am to
You're comparing four completely different things. Swing and a miss.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:50 am to
quote:

Hope I'm wrong


Doubt it
Posted by Mindenfan
Minden
Member since Sep 2006
4790 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 11:55 am to
Bowden? One could only hope to achieve what Bowden has in his career at Florida St.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 11:59 am to
Actuallly Miles reminds me of Bowden only in the fact that Miles is also a Manager and not a hands on coach....like Bowden the last dozen years.

Miles will never win another NC without great assistants to do the coaching same as Bowden.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59158 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 12:09 pm to
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Check Fulmer's record at UT.


Good idea:

They were an elite team in the 90's. from 95-97 they lost a total 5 games, 3 to Florida and 1 to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. That's 2 losses to teams that won the NC and another to UF when they lost the NC game to NU. They did win the SEC in 97 and again in 98 when they also went undefeated and won the BCS CG. In 99 then went 9-2 and went to the Fiesta Bowl, but lost to Nebraska, they haven't been to a BCS bowl since. In 2001 they upset Florida and would have gone to the BCS CG if they had not lost to LSU in the SEC CG.

So 1 NC, 2 SEC C, 5 trips to SEC CG, 3 BCS Bowls from 95-08.

Here's their record:

95:11-1 Citrus Bowl (now Cap 1 Bowl)
96 10-2 Citrus
97 11-2 SEC Champs
98 13-0 National Champs, SEC Champs
99 9-3 Fiesta Bowl
00 8-4 Cotton
01 11-2 SEC CG, Fla Cit (Blew NC shot)
02 8-5 Peach
03 10-3 Peach
04 10-3 SEC CG, Cotton
05 5-6
06 9-4
07 10-4 SEC CG, Outback
08 5-7 Fulmer fired

It went noticeably downhill for a DECADE after a 4 year stretch of greatness. Take note those that say if you go 10-2 enough, eventually you will go 11-1 or 12-0
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 12:10 pm
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
894 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 12:37 pm to
I do indeed think you're wrong. I think many LSU fans ore over-reacting to what has happened since '07. We've had a two-year run of woeful inexperience at the QB position to go along with a rather painful transition to a new defensive coaching staff. Would anyone expect the team to win the SEC under those circumstances?! Remember how frustrating 2004 was? I'm sure some of you were belly-aching about Saban that year and how the team was "regressing." Not coincidentally, that was also a year in which our QB position was relatively unstable. (Marcus Randle and JaMarcus Russell splitting time, and neither one really setting the world on fire.) So last year was an aberration, and this year saw us moving back toward the standards we've all become used to. Remember, we were in the BCS conversation well into the season; we ended up 9-3 (should have been 10-2, but let's not go there); and we're looking at another top 5 recruiting class. Most people would consider that a VERY GOOD year. As long as we are in the conversation for winning the SEC and playing in the BCS in almost any given year, we will be alright. And in those years when talent, experience in key areas, scheduling, and--yes--luck fall our way, we can potentially be on top of the heap again. That's about all you can ask for out of ANY program. As long as Miles continues to recruit as well as he does and shows the willingness to make adjustments in the coaching staff when things aren't working, I don't see any kind of long-term problems.
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 12:38 pm
Posted by jaze
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2009
920 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 12:41 pm to
The fact that you put Bobby Bowden in the same sentence with Larry Coke and Phillip Fulmer shows your knowledge of college football, or lack thereof. I'll take a couple of decades of being in the hunt every season over a few good years every so often after making coaching change after coaching change.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59158 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

I don't see any kind of long-term problems.


Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
62187 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 12:46 pm to
I don't think Phil and Bowden belong in talk. FSU was everybody's rent-a-win til Bobby showed up. Fulmer took UT to the next level.

However Miles = Coker
Posted by Reality Tiger
Member since Nov 2009
196 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 12:50 pm to


The comparison to Coker is dead on.

However, Coker finished at Miami with a record of 60-15, .800.

Miles won't touch that.


Unbelievably, it sounds like he is keeping Crowton which will be a huge blow to the morale of this team. They will be forced to prepare for next season knowing that the offense will have the same or worse problems as they did this season. The results will be disastrous.

After LSU finishes at 4-8 or so, the comparison to Coker, will be favorable to Coker.
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
894 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:05 pm to
Cute picture, but I'd be curious to know exactly which points I raised that you disagree with.
Posted by will0637
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2006
410 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:39 pm to
This is a joke. All great coaches go through lean years: Bear Bryant went 6-5-1 and 6-5 in the middle of his Hall of Fame run. Woody Hayes, Schembechler, and even Spurrier at Florida at 3 and 4 losses in consecutive seasons. You cant go every year with 1 or 2 losses.
Posted by will0637
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2006
410 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:42 pm to
Also, Bowden has 4 and 5 loss seasons in the 80s after he had some great seasons in the early 80s and before FSU went on a unprecented run of top 4 rankings in the late 80s though 2000.
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