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My Guess - Crowton Comes Back and Is Very Successful
Posted on 11/29/09 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 11/29/09 at 7:53 pm
GC did not forget how to coach. Recall that w/ first year starter MF at the helm, GC was the OC for the best scoring offense in LSU history.
My take is he is an intellectual type coordinator and the beleives in the read and believes that qb's need classroom type preparation. This style fit Matt Flynn very well, thus the success.
When GC gets a qb like Matt Flynn or if perhaps one of the current guys becomes or turns out to be that type QB then GC will be very successful.
I sure hope that it is next year. Playing 2nd fiddle to Bama, NOT FUN.
My take is he is an intellectual type coordinator and the beleives in the read and believes that qb's need classroom type preparation. This style fit Matt Flynn very well, thus the success.
When GC gets a qb like Matt Flynn or if perhaps one of the current guys becomes or turns out to be that type QB then GC will be very successful.
I sure hope that it is next year. Playing 2nd fiddle to Bama, NOT FUN.
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Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:04 pm to specs1
either he is really successful, or Miles & Co.'s job at LSU is done
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:09 pm to Jizzy08
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Miles
Never been sold on Miles. I do think that he would be very successful in Little 10+1 and would be very happy at UM if it had happened.
I do not consider him on the level w/ Petrino, Saban, Meyer or Spurrier.
Arky will be very good if Petrino can get a Lafell or Toliver level reciever in there for Mallet. Also needs some defensive help, but that program is moving the right direction.
Miles is destined to play 2nd fiddle to Saban. Further his SEC record last 2 years, .500. That's not acceptable.
But, he will be back next year. Hopefully, we can win the west!
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:10 pm to specs1
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Recall that w/ first year starter MF at the helm
Dude. Put the pipe down. Flynn was coached-up by Jimbo. Remember Crowton was the one that brought in Hatch and said he would succeed in the SEC. Crowton is done - like my Thanksgiving left-overs.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:11 pm to specs1
That guy will be a rs freshman next year. Dude came here even with the #2 qb already committed LSU. Kinda reminds me of MF when he committed even though JR was also committed. Who was that other top qb who was scared to come to LSU because of JR?
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:14 pm to specs1
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GC did not forget how to coach.
he was never that good outside of his pure spread days at la tech
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:15 pm to Born to be a Tiger
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Dude came here even with the #2 qb already committed LSU.
pretty sure chris garrett knew who shep was and figured he wouldn't end up at QB
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:16 pm to Born to be a Tiger
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Who was that other top qb who was scared to come to LSU because of JR?
Robert Lane and for a qb that was scared to compete he was a pretty good H-back.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he was never that good outside of his pure spread days at la tech
Crowton's rep is built on a close loss to Nebraska and an interview in which Matt Flynn called him the Wizard.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:29 pm to Cash
He's been living off of Troy Edwards and Tim Rattay for a long time now.
Crowton is an absolutely terrible QB coach. If someone else is coaching the QB up I'm sure the offense would get better.
But Crowton is not going to get anything more than what we've seen the last 2 years out of anybody on the roster. Take that to the bank.
Crowton is an absolutely terrible QB coach. If someone else is coaching the QB up I'm sure the offense would get better.
But Crowton is not going to get anything more than what we've seen the last 2 years out of anybody on the roster. Take that to the bank.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:53 pm to Cash
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Crowton's rep is built on a close loss to Nebraska and an interview in which Matt Flynn called him the Wizard.
I thought it was Early Doucet.
Regardless, you sir, are correct. The obvious regression of his teams at every place he's been besides one proves that he ain't that great.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:18 pm to specs1
Here's my issue with your theory, and I hope its right, but I am not as confident as you.
Crowton hasn't successfully developed a QB since Tim Rattay, everwhere he's gone he's been successful with veteran QBs developed by other QB coaches/coordinators (Jimbo at LSU/can't remember who at BYU and Oregon). In all three stops he had a seasoned JR/SR QB running his offense the first year. The next season with young/inexperienced recruits he's shown collapse and continually gotten worse (especially at BYU).
He is a good coordinator, but horrible QB developer. That is his weaknesses. I'd be optimistic if JJ wasn't still showing no development in reading blitzes at all and making no attempts to go through his progressions. OL play didn't help, but even when they played well, I noticed these things. Same thing with Lee so its likely 90% on Crowton's bad position coaching.
I hope your right, and Les just needs to make the right decision here for his future. People could've said the same thing with Malveto last year, but we all knew what was coming. Based on Crowton's history, we kind of still know.
Crowton hasn't successfully developed a QB since Tim Rattay, everwhere he's gone he's been successful with veteran QBs developed by other QB coaches/coordinators (Jimbo at LSU/can't remember who at BYU and Oregon). In all three stops he had a seasoned JR/SR QB running his offense the first year. The next season with young/inexperienced recruits he's shown collapse and continually gotten worse (especially at BYU).
He is a good coordinator, but horrible QB developer. That is his weaknesses. I'd be optimistic if JJ wasn't still showing no development in reading blitzes at all and making no attempts to go through his progressions. OL play didn't help, but even when they played well, I noticed these things. Same thing with Lee so its likely 90% on Crowton's bad position coaching.
I hope your right, and Les just needs to make the right decision here for his future. People could've said the same thing with Malveto last year, but we all knew what was coming. Based on Crowton's history, we kind of still know.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:22 pm to LSUMafia
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I hope your right, and Les just needs to make the right decision here for his future.
Well I'm not saying that GC is the best guy for this position at LSU. I'm not giving an opinion on him. I'm just saying my guess is he comes back; Les keeps him.
But I will say this: If both Les and GC were looking for jobs, GC would be hired first.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:37 pm to specs1
Crowton is a gone pecan.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:54 pm to los angeles tiger
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Crowton is a gone pecan.
Opinion or inside info?
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:13 pm to specs1
There was some intense arguing on the sideline of the Ole Miss game about play calling. My guess is that Crowton is gone.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:15 pm to specs1
So, let's say Crowton does come back, is very successful next year. Lee is likely to transfer this year, correct? Jefferson does so well next year he goes to the draft. Crowton now has Chris Garrett, another young QB. How much confidence would you have in Crowton to coach up our young QB?
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:56 pm to specs1
we will see........just a thought though, if his second and third years at a program aren't as good as the first what makes you think his fourth year will be any better?
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:07 am to LSUintheNW
Crowton's history in 3rd/4th years is not good:
At BYU:
Total yards rankings
2001 - 1
2002 - 50
2003 - 102
2004 - 48
Scoring offense
2001 - 1
2002 - 87
2003 - 109
2004 - 69 (Not good at all in the MWC)
At BYU:
Total yards rankings
2001 - 1
2002 - 50
2003 - 102
2004 - 48
Scoring offense
2001 - 1
2002 - 87
2003 - 109
2004 - 69 (Not good at all in the MWC)
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:38 am to specs1
Matt Flynn could read a defense; Jefferson can't.
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