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re: Can someone give an example of Miles poor game management
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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No, please do.
I'm trying to understand why you're limiting this to time screw-ups prior to 2008, and I figure its probably because with so many since 2008, its hard to remember all the ones prior to 2008. But, as I said, Auburn 2007, as has been discussed, is an obvious example. But the perfect example, particularly in light of last weekend, is the 2005 Tennessee game. And before you get your panties in a wad, I'm not talking about the timeout after the interception, which although it was high comedy, wasn't relevant to the outcome of the game. I'm talking about right before halftime when the clock was running down after we completed a pass in the field of play. Russell was looking to the sideline for what to do. Half the staff was signaling clock the ball, which would have made sense. Unfortunately, at the same time, members of the field goal unit were running on the field. Now, Russell, who's admittedly no genius, doesn't know what to do because there are about 17 or 18 people on the field, so he can't really spike it. So the clock runs out and we get no points, which in a game that went into overtime is kind of big. What made this even worse, and is particularly relevant to the cluster**** that happened at the end of the Ole Miss game, is that some of the field goal unit was running in from around the 30, and other members of the unit were running in from around midfield; which meant with the clock running down, our staff didn't even have our entire field goal unit standing together ready to run out on the field. Sound familiar. Also, in something eerily familiar, at the half time interview, Miles completely threw Russell under the bus and blamed the screw-up on him, when it was mostly, if not entirely, on him and his staff. Some things, apparently, never change.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:06 pm to emmanuellewis
In the 1st half against Tennessee in 05, LSU was up 21-0 and driving late in the half. JaMarcus scrambled and was tackled in bounds around the 10. LSU didn't have any timeouts and couldn't get the field goal team out in time. It could have been 24-0 at halftime, and even with our terrible 2nd half, it could have put that game away.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:07 pm to Tiger Voodoo
How about last year's Alabama game? In the fourth quarter he called a timeout, and then before Alabama snapped the ball he called another timeout to challenge the play. Two timeouts to challenge a play that wasn't overturned (or really even questionable).
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:08 pm to Dizz
Yep, Meyer versus Tubby in 07. Called timeout twice to ice Wes Byrum. He made it both times. ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconbooboo.gif)
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:08 pm to The Boat
Boat change your sig quote..
He coulda, shoulda, woulda, brought two BCS titles..
We're all still here..and sadly so is he.
He coulda, shoulda, woulda, brought two BCS titles..
We're all still here..and sadly so is he.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:08 pm to BayouBlue
Lsu/aub 2007 bryd scores to go up by 5 and Les doesn't go for 2. People can 2nd guess playcalling or not giving the ball to Scott in the Kent game. But there is no excuse not to be aware of the situation and go for 2!
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:13 pm to rstamp1
I mean I know people are burned out at this point from the last two days and are looking at any new angle for a topic... but lets be honest. Before Saturday, Les Miles was horrible at managing timeouts and the clock. Saturday, he made the biggest clock managing mistake I have ever seen in organized football. I don't there is really an argument today that can be made that he "isn't that bad" at managing the clock.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:13 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Unfortunately, I could go on with examples
No, please do.
Do you really need more than 2 or 3 screw-ups to determine he's poor game manager?
I mean, you pretty much said other than the 3 or 4 screw-ups since 08 are there any others? Isn't that already too many? Wouldn't 2 suffice?
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:18 pm to Night Train
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Try almost every freakin game where he lets the last 30 or 45 seconds of a half or quarter run out. Never tries to get that extra score to cushion a lead or to cut a lead. Les is always happy to just waste time during a game over and over.
but its not like he is the only coach that does that. geez, i think it is more normal for a coach to do that than to try to get that other score, much to every fans dismay. i hate it too, but it always happens.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:18 pm to cggeaxtigers
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Going for it 6 times on fourth down against FLA.
how is that poor game management? he had to do that to win the game. and we won the game.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:19 pm to uway
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So then why are all of these national writers and talkers talking about the LSU-Ole Miss game today?
it was a huge deal, no doubt.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:22 pm to noonan
Hell he made 4 on the last minute against Ole Miss! Isn't that enough?
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:23 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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I rewatched every SEC game since 2005 this offseason (thanks goodolmac ), and I truly didn't see many.
so you are trying to tell me that in all of those games, which i doubt you watched them all, you rarely saw us have to waste a timeout b/c of a delay of game penelty or get the delay of game penelty.
I would bet this happens at least 5 or 6 times a game, and that's every frickin game.
it usually happens b/c the play comes in too late or some idiot on the field doesn't know where to go, which still falls on the coach b/c he's not preparing his team evidently.
how many times have we gotten illegal motion, which usually happens b/c the ball has to be snapped too early b/c the clock is running out, or we don't have enough men on the line, or the best one, illegal substitution.
all of this falls on the coaching staff to better prepare the players.
I'm not going to sit here and disect every game and give you specific times of all of this but if you haven't noticed this recently and in the past then you need to get your head out of les miles' arse.
maybe if we didn't have these stupid time management penalties, we wouldn't be put in bad situations and might be able to sustain drives instead of having usually half of the offensive snaps of our opponents.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:25 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Can someone give an example of Miles exceptional game management?
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:38 pm to PleaseMiles
how many blunders does the man get?
we're already playing up and down to the level of our compentition, and came within a gnats arse of losing to Troy last year and Miss State this year. We were trailing LaTech at the half, and don't put teams away that we are obviously superior to from a talent stand point. If anything, we manage the game to keep them in it (like continuing to ignore our running game's advantage of LaTech this year).
if the goal of this thread is to say, "well, miles isn't really the problem, it's all these young QB's screwing up." I guess I can almost believe it -- almost. But for the fact that there are any number of schools that break in new QB's every year. they don't lead their conferences in delay of game penalties, and they don't end up w/ offenses ranked +100 nationally.
it's not clock/timeout specific, but allowing our OC to continue to call plays irrespective of the strengths/weakenesses of our personnel is a pretty huge management failure.
we're already playing up and down to the level of our compentition, and came within a gnats arse of losing to Troy last year and Miss State this year. We were trailing LaTech at the half, and don't put teams away that we are obviously superior to from a talent stand point. If anything, we manage the game to keep them in it (like continuing to ignore our running game's advantage of LaTech this year).
if the goal of this thread is to say, "well, miles isn't really the problem, it's all these young QB's screwing up." I guess I can almost believe it -- almost. But for the fact that there are any number of schools that break in new QB's every year. they don't lead their conferences in delay of game penalties, and they don't end up w/ offenses ranked +100 nationally.
it's not clock/timeout specific, but allowing our OC to continue to call plays irrespective of the strengths/weakenesses of our personnel is a pretty huge management failure.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:42 pm to LSUHornets
Les has a team of 5 stars that play like 3 stars while Saban has a team of 3 stars that play like 5 stars.
And without Saban's 3 star stud RB Jacob Hester, there is no BCS trophy in '07.
Hester carried that team on heart. THATS what coaching players up does. Instead our 5 stars play like they have been coached down.
And without Saban's 3 star stud RB Jacob Hester, there is no BCS trophy in '07.
Hester carried that team on heart. THATS what coaching players up does. Instead our 5 stars play like they have been coached down.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:42 pm to BayouBlue
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Our Offense should be putting up 50 points a week with the talent we recruit...
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 5:29 pm to ATLTiger
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you sure about that? because didn't JR taking a sack damn near kill us?
You are right. I don't know which game I was thinking about.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 6:27 pm to ssgrice
The way he uses Russel Shephard.... hasnt thrown a pass yet, runs him up the middle with 9 in the box thats poor game managment at its best
Posted on 11/23/09 at 6:29 pm to rabdogg
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The Auburn game where Flynn threw the TD pass to Byrd with no time left. Miles thought there was more time on the clock; enough for another play if it was dropped.
+1000
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 6:37 pm
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