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Nothing special about the wildcat.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:26 pm
I watched the Dolphins play against the Colts and the Jets. The wildcat was successful in those games and I'm sure the wildcat was effective against the other Dolphin games I missed. There is nothing really that special about the wildcat. IMO the Dolphins have run the wildcat successfully because their O-line did a good job of blocking up front and Ronnie Brown and Rickey Williams are no slouches at running back. I think the Dolphins will have two or three successful drives against the Saints D running the wildcat that will lead to points in the early quarters. However, the Dolphins one dimensional attack will be no match against the Saints balanced attack. I predict by the 4th quarter the Dolphins will be down +17 and will have to abandon the wildcat.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:35 pm to GumboPot
The Dolphins are going to dominate the clock, this is a given. The reason the dolphins lose is because they have no legitimate quick strike offense, or scoring threat. But with Henne back there they actually can now utilize Ted Ginn's speed.
All this being said though, their offense in no way can keep up with the Saint's scoring. But be scared if they do find a passing game.
All this being said though, their offense in no way can keep up with the Saint's scoring. But be scared if they do find a passing game.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:39 pm to ATLienTiger
thats the thing.. the wildcat makes you respect the pass because they can burn you..
so the moment you concentrate or try to stop one thing of the wildcat they burn you with the other..
look at what it did to the patriots last year... the colts and the jets this year..
look at what it did to the LSU stout defense in 2007..
this wildcat is effective.. and very tough to stop especially when they have the right guys in the system..
so the moment you concentrate or try to stop one thing of the wildcat they burn you with the other..
look at what it did to the patriots last year... the colts and the jets this year..
look at what it did to the LSU stout defense in 2007..
this wildcat is effective.. and very tough to stop especially when they have the right guys in the system..
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:43 pm to G8RH8R
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this wildcat is effective.. and very tough to stop especially when they have the right guys in the system..
It appears the Dolphins have the right guys to run the wildcat...what do you think GW’s strategy is to stop it? Are we going to spy with Harper and man up else where?
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:46 pm to GumboPot
He's gonna have to creep up the Safeties to support against the off tackle run by Brown, and the sweep by Williams.
Hopefully Greer's speed can keep up with Ginn enough that unless Henne throws a perfect pass he can deflect it.
Hopefully Greer's speed can keep up with Ginn enough that unless Henne throws a perfect pass he can deflect it.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:55 pm to ATLienTiger
i think its going to come down to our LB's playing stout d..
they can throw to the tight end out the wildcat..
vilma has to have big game.. and if our d line can blow the play or string it out.. then we should be okay..
mccray may have a good game because he is faster then grant.. so u may see grant as dt .. with smith and mccray at the ends..
but im no coach...so who knows.. this may sound retarded ha
they can throw to the tight end out the wildcat..
vilma has to have big game.. and if our d line can blow the play or string it out.. then we should be okay..
mccray may have a good game because he is faster then grant.. so u may see grant as dt .. with smith and mccray at the ends..
but im no coach...so who knows.. this may sound retarded ha
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:15 pm to G8RH8R
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this may sound retarded ha
No, it doesn't.
I'd say, like another poster above, the safeties will crowd the line on a lot of plays. Harper, in particular, is better at stopping the run than defending the pass.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:20 pm to adono
yeah i totally agree.. run stopping is his best characteristic..
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:26 pm to adono
I think alot of this
The corners and Sharper will be on there own alot.
It will also be interesting to see if our 3-4 or 4-3 is best at handling the wildcat.
Would love to be at practice watching the D against our version of the wildcat(miami's) on the scout team.
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Harper, in particular, is better at stopping the run than defending the pass
The corners and Sharper will be on there own alot.
It will also be interesting to see if our 3-4 or 4-3 is best at handling the wildcat.
Would love to be at practice watching the D against our version of the wildcat(miami's) on the scout team.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 5:35 pm to G8RH8R
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this wildcat is effective.. and very tough to stop especially when they have the right guys in the system
this, and that the Wildcat is not some gimmik play that they run once or twice a game. It IS their offense, and they make work accordingly. All these other teams who are trying their own "wild cat" gimmick plays are failing at it, because it's nothing more than a trick play that they may run twice in practice any given week.
This is why I hate this formation on any team except the Dolphins. Other teams try to do the copy cat and fail, while the Dolphins hold true to their courageous offense and run it as a system.
But really, the wild cat is nothing more than the option. To stop it requires discipline in gap assignments. I think it's hard for NFL teams to defend it, because they're just not used to defending the option anymore. Some of these players haven't seen it in a decade, so they will have a tendency to bite on the obfuscation it creates
Posted on 10/21/09 at 5:54 pm to Midget Death Squad
It sucks having to play a team like this after playing so aggressive under GW. Against the wildcat you have to abandon what GW has taught. You cant be overly aggresive and run to the ball. Against the Wildcat you have to stay home and fill your lanes. Gap assignment is key.
Hopefully we force them into passing downs and then GW can reak havoc on Henne.
Hopefully we force them into passing downs and then GW can reak havoc on Henne.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 9:26 pm to G8RH8R
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this wildcat is effective.. and very tough to stop especially when they have the right guys in the system..
Serious question....
If it is so effective, why are the Dolphins 2-3?
Whys would they be expected to beat the Saints with it when they lost to 3 already and almost lost to another.
They are one drive away from being 1-4
Posted on 10/21/09 at 9:45 pm to Midget Death Squad
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To stop it requires discipline in gap assignments
this
Posted on 10/21/09 at 9:46 pm to G8RH8R
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look at what it did to the patriots last year... the colts and the jets this year..
look at what it did to the LSU stout defense in 2007.
and baltim....oh wait
Posted on 10/21/09 at 9:50 pm to St Augustine
The secret to Miami's wildcat is that their o-line blocks like it's a normal Power-O run with a QB under center, only they're snapping directly to a tailback and giving him a read with the jetback running through.
If he sees a seam he keeps, if he doesn't he hands. It's basic but I guess thats why it works so well.
If he sees a seam he keeps, if he doesn't he hands. It's basic but I guess thats why it works so well.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 10:45 pm to TigerBait45
It's not an option. Brown isn't reading anything. It's not the read-option, think Vince Young, where he's reading the D-end. Its a called play with Brown running off tackle or he's handing off to Williams. Brown carries much more often than he hands off. The Miami version is nothing more than getting an extra blocker in the game to put a hat on a hat. The numbers are even. It's the single wing with a motion man. It's fricking basic as shite. That's why everyone runs that same shite in 6 yr old football. The key is tackling well. Harper will brought to line to put an extra defender in the box. It's like watching pee wee football.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:02 pm to KindOfABigDeal
The good news is that the Dolphins have nothing on defense that should even slow down the Saints attack. Indy and the Jets put up points quite easily on them. As far as their offense, it is tough to stop, but it requires them to play almost perfectly to win. One holding call or negative rush can ruin a drive for them. They won the Jets game b/c Henne made some big throws late, but I don't think they would've been within striking distance if the Jets had the Saints offense. Ginn did beat Revis of all people on a deep ball and that's because everyone was playing for the run. I don't see him, or any other Dolphins receiver, consistently beating Porter or Greer, even with no help up top. Our safeties will be free to roam as usual and Henne will HAVE to make a few big plays if they have a chance to win. So it's definitely not a team to overlook, but the Saints have more than enough to take care of them.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 3:12 am to ksliman
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Serious question....
If it is so effective, why are the Dolphins 2-3?
Is this really a serious question?
The Dolphins have the #1 rushing attack in the NFL. Now to answer your "serious" question, they also have the #26 passing attack in the NFL.
That should help explain how it's not exactly the running game that has Miami at 2-3 right now.
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Whys would they be expected to beat the Saints with it when they lost to 3 already and almost lost to another
Who said they were expected to beat the Saints in this thread???
Posted on 10/22/09 at 6:26 am to shel311
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The Dolphins have the #1 rushing attack in the NFL. Now to answer your "serious" question, they also have the #26 passing attack in the NFL.
The 2009 Fins are the mirror image of the 2008 Saints, except they rely on the run. We were the No.1 passing team and went 8-8.
The premise behind the question is legit. Yes, the Fins make the Wildcat work, but the Falcons, Chargers and Colts stopped the wildcat enough to win. When you rely on the running game, one holding call pretty much is a drive killer and that's is what has been happening.
Expect a lot of holding calls on the Fins this Sunday. McCray, Smith and Grant will be in full force and the OL can't let Henne get hit (they have no one behind him).
One last thing, Williams has been able to design schemes to stop the rushing attacks of the Jets and Giants (two teams that have very good running games); There's absolutely no reason to believe that he won't come up with a plan to slow down the wildcat. Its the defense's week to shine...once again.
This post was edited on 10/22/09 at 6:27 am
Posted on 10/22/09 at 6:42 am to adono
people are really going overboard with this wildcat shite. if the saints force a turnover and get a stop or two in the first half this will be a blowout.
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