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Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:14 am
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:14 am
So Chavis is supposed to be some kind of defensive guru, right?
Over the past 5 years, against teams with winning records, his Tennessee teams gave up an average of almost 25 points and gave up 28+ points 18 times, including 4 over 40 - and a 45, 50 and a 59-er in 2007.
What makes this guy so great again?
Over the past 5 years, against teams with winning records, his Tennessee teams gave up an average of almost 25 points and gave up 28+ points 18 times, including 4 over 40 - and a 45, 50 and a 59-er in 2007.
What makes this guy so great again?
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Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:18 am to royotis
I guess we will find out on Saturday when he has talent and a soild group of coaches supporting him. Not sure if both were the case at Tenn.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:19 am to royotis
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So Chavis is supposed to be some kind of defensive guru, right?
Not really. Just an upgrade over what we previously had.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:21 am to royotis
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against teams with winning records
Then Washington should be no problem.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:25 am to royotis
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So Chavis is supposed to be some kind of defensive guru, right?
Not necessarily - "Guru" is a word we use for things like Spurrier or Meyer on offense, or Monte Kiffin or Nick Saban on defense. No, what Chavis has been is a very successful defensive coordinator, on a top tier (admittedly one in decline the past few years) team, and has consistently produced outstanding defenses, in the toughest conference in all of college football, despite dips and valleys in his team's offensive abilities and overall talent/recruiting level.
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 2:26 am
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:26 am to BayouBreaux
I'm just curious to get your feedback 'cause everyone is talking as if Chavis is the key to your defensive woes from last year.
Nobody seems to be talking about what Holt and Co. is going to do for the Husky defense.
Nobody seems to be talking about what Holt and Co. is going to do for the Husky defense.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:28 am to royotis
because everyone knows pete carroll ran usc's defense, not holt
chavis however has been a successful DC for well over a decade now
chavis however has been a successful DC for well over a decade now
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:32 am to royotis
Royotis, the key thing to realize with LSU's current situation as opposed to last season is that we have fixed several things.
1) We have a proven DC in Chavis with a solid track record.
2) We have improved our DB coaching by bringing in what could be the best coach at that position in the country, who also has DC experience and gameplanning experience.
3) We actually have a DL coach that can and WILL coach rather than a solid recruiter who can't coach worth a crap.
4) The position coaches were a problem since 2006, especially at the LBer and DL positions.
5) While people will rag on Chavis for some bad defenses at UTenn, they don't realize that his assistants weren't that great there the last few years. That's the problem, and sometimes coaches at both Coordinator and position coaches get stale if they stay too long at one place. This change will revitalize Chavis, especially given the position coaches he's got around him.
6) He hasn't had overall talent on his defense's like this since likely 2001.
7) Anything will be an improvement over the Malveto debacle (last year's Co-DCs).
1) We have a proven DC in Chavis with a solid track record.
2) We have improved our DB coaching by bringing in what could be the best coach at that position in the country, who also has DC experience and gameplanning experience.
3) We actually have a DL coach that can and WILL coach rather than a solid recruiter who can't coach worth a crap.
4) The position coaches were a problem since 2006, especially at the LBer and DL positions.
5) While people will rag on Chavis for some bad defenses at UTenn, they don't realize that his assistants weren't that great there the last few years. That's the problem, and sometimes coaches at both Coordinator and position coaches get stale if they stay too long at one place. This change will revitalize Chavis, especially given the position coaches he's got around him.
6) He hasn't had overall talent on his defense's like this since likely 2001.
7) Anything will be an improvement over the Malveto debacle (last year's Co-DCs).
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:40 am to royotis
Chavis' defense usually gave up 19-20 ppg and was weak in the pass defense. However, that's not good enough for a national champion caliber defense. It's gotta be lower (around 15 ppg IMO).
The difference here is a stronger supporting cast (depth, talent level) and better coaches under Chavis. Brick Haley is the Defensive Line coach. He coached the DL for the Chicago Bears which ranked #5 in the NFL in defense against the run last year and 6th in sacks two years ago. Ron Cooper was the secondaries coach at South Carolina and his pass defense ranked #2 and #4 in the country in 2007 and 2008.
We are gonna be smoking on defense this year!
EDIT: More about Chavis Defense at Tennessee here.
The difference here is a stronger supporting cast (depth, talent level) and better coaches under Chavis. Brick Haley is the Defensive Line coach. He coached the DL for the Chicago Bears which ranked #5 in the NFL in defense against the run last year and 6th in sacks two years ago. Ron Cooper was the secondaries coach at South Carolina and his pass defense ranked #2 and #4 in the country in 2007 and 2008.
We are gonna be smoking on defense this year!
EDIT: More about Chavis Defense at Tennessee here.
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 2:46 am
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:43 am to royotis
Another thing to note is that in 2007, UTenn had an extremely young defense, much like Florida did that year. UF struggled after losing alot of starters (9 or 10 if i recall), but had more talent, and also didn't have to face UF's offense.
Saban's teams did the same thing at LSU eventhough he's a defensive guru. We gave up 40+ at least once every year I believe except for 2002 and 2003. We also gave up 30+ every year under Saban with the exception of 2003.
Gave up:
2000: 34, 31, 41, 38
2001: 44, 35, 38, 34
2002: 31, 30, 31, 35
2003: 20+ only once (24 to Arky)
2004: 45, 30
Now realize that these are defenses coached by the great defensive guru Saban. Sometimes teams have inexperience or injuries that affect their success. Sometimes its just bad schemes. Bringing in the right assistants improved things for LSU.
Saban's teams did the same thing at LSU eventhough he's a defensive guru. We gave up 40+ at least once every year I believe except for 2002 and 2003. We also gave up 30+ every year under Saban with the exception of 2003.
Gave up:
2000: 34, 31, 41, 38
2001: 44, 35, 38, 34
2002: 31, 30, 31, 35
2003: 20+ only once (24 to Arky)
2004: 45, 30
Now realize that these are defenses coached by the great defensive guru Saban. Sometimes teams have inexperience or injuries that affect their success. Sometimes its just bad schemes. Bringing in the right assistants improved things for LSU.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:46 am to LSU Tigerhead
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Chavis' defense usually gave up 19-20 ppg and was weak in the pass defense. However, that's not good enough for a national champion caliber defense. It's gotta be lower (around 15 ppg IMO).
LSU allowed 20ppg in 2007. Should we give the championship back?
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:49 am to Ace Midnight
quote:LOL! Maybe I'm just too demanding. I truly admire a strong defense. Our 2003 defense gave up 11 ppg. That's the standard IMO.
LSU allowed 20ppg in 2007. Should we give the championship back?
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:58 am to LSU Tigerhead
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LOL! Maybe I'm just too demanding. I truly admire a strong defense. Our 2003 defense gave up 11 ppg. That's the standard IMO.
CFB has changed since then.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:59 am to Ace Midnight
If you take out the OT scoring LSU gave up around 17 ppg that year and had the #3 defense in yardage allowed.
In 2008, LSU gave up 24 ppg (and 32nd in total defense) and lost 3 more games.
In 2008, LSU gave up 24 ppg (and 32nd in total defense) and lost 3 more games.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 3:00 am to royotis
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What makes this guy so great again?
Just ask your momma...
Posted on 9/1/09 at 3:04 am to LSU Tigerhead
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It's gotta be lower (around 15 ppg IMO).
If we hold every team to 20 points we go undefeated. Our offense will score on anyone!
Posted on 9/1/09 at 3:06 am to LSU Tigerhead
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Our 2003 defense gave up 11 ppg. That's the standard IMO.
2003 was downright porous compared to 1958 (< 5 ppg) and 1959 (< 3 ppg during the regular season, then embarassed themselves by losing to Ole Miss in the Sugar Bowl, depriving us of back-to-back MNCs - still averaged about the same PPG as '58). Mac didn't give up a lot of points back then. Even the 5-4-1 team from 1960 only gave up 5 ppg.
The 1969 team, even though we were moving into the modern era, allowed a mere 9.1 ppg. Arnsparger's defense in '85 was pretty stingy, as was Archer's '87 team. Even Saban only had the one really stingy team, 2003. Miles/Pelini had a really stingy defense in 2006, little over 11ppg.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 3:35 am to royotis
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Over the past 5 years, against teams with winning records, his Tennessee teams gave up an average of almost 25 points
Well lucky for us we are playing a team that hasn't had a winning record in about 7 years, so that shouldn't matter
Posted on 9/1/09 at 7:31 am to royotis
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Over the past 5 years, against teams with winning records, his Tennessee teams gave up an average of almost 25 points and gave up 28+ points 18 times, including 4 over 40 - and a 45, 50 and a 59-er in 2007.
A subpar offense will commit turnovers, and 3 and outs. This will put your defense on the field more often in games and typically will give up more points.
According to most Vol fans thye really haven't had much offense the last few years.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 7:32 am to royotis
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What makes this guy so great again?
How did you DC perform last year?
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