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Is LSU taking too many recruits based on camp performance
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:39 am
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:39 am
and not actual game performance? Some of these guys wowed the coaches at camps but maybe haven't stepped up in games. What do yall think?
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Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:55 am to Elleshoe
They're just now starting their senior seasons..
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:55 am to Elleshoe
This post was edited on 8/22/09 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:57 am to Elleshoe
how many have we taken based on camp performance? I'm not sure how much you can tell in many high school games...I remember XCarter saying he knew 2 plays, go long and get open.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:11 pm to ForeLSU
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how many have we taken based on camp performance?
Atleast 2, the DT from Bama and the DB from St. Aug.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:13 pm to Elleshoe
i bet the staff has a few scollie openings every year that they "take a chance" on. they evaluate and go with their gut. if a guy has the measurables and they see him perform at a high level against good competition, why not offer? i think our problem (our meaning all of us super-knowlegable fans) is that we tend to be more influenced by the "hype" factor; i.e., what the pundits and rating services say. not talking about you, Elleshoe. i think we all do it. 
also, bet it helps keeping good talent coming to the camps. the hope of an offer to come to LSU is pretty powerful for a hi-school jr.
also, bet it helps keeping good talent coming to the camps. the hope of an offer to come to LSU is pretty powerful for a hi-school jr.
This post was edited on 8/22/09 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:14 pm to LSU GrandDad
camp performace says a lot about a guy, but I think its also important that the guy can play when the lights come on.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:21 pm to JJ27
If those guys don't have outstanding senior seasons and prove they deserve the schollies, Miles can always pull them. I wouldn't sweat it.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:22 pm to Elleshoe
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What do yall think?
I think you need to let the coaches evaluate the talent and sit back and enjoy the ride.
I say that not to be condescending, sarcastic, or smart arse. I say it because Miles and Co. have produced commitments from a caliber of talent that has LSU's average star rankings as #3 over the last 5 years. Only USC #1 and UF #2 have higher rankings than LSU.
According to most experts, in person evaluations at a camp are superior to film. One reason is that you don't always know what level or quality the competition is in the film to the degree that you know this variable at a camp.
Secondly, at camp, the coaches get to interview the prospective recruit, see their work ethic, and push them close to the level of play that they will have to perform at in College.
Lastly, Coaches get to put the prospective recruit in different situations that may not be seen on film. Thus, Coaches can identify strengths and weaknesses much more quickly at a camp than on film. Therefore, a decision to offer, not offer, or place on standby can be made much more quickly. And, the coaches can ask for a second opinion on the spot where the other coach can change the evaluation scenario too if they want.
Camps are far better than film is the bottom line.
This post was edited on 8/22/09 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:47 pm to Sonny G
They should base it on rant evaluations.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:47 pm to Sonny G
quote:+1
I think you need to let the coaches evaluate the talent and sit back and enjoy the ride.
I say that not to be condescending, sarcastic, or smart arse. I say it because Miles and Co. have produced commitments from a caliber of talent that has LSU's average star rankings as #3 over the last 5 years. Only USC #1 and UF #2 have higher rankings than LSU.
According to most experts, in person evaluations at a camp are superior to film. One reason is that you don't always know what level or quality the competition is in the film to the degree that you know this variable at a camp.
Secondly, at camp, the coaches get to interview the prospective recruit, see their work ethic, and push them close to the level of play that they will have to perform at in College.
Lastly, Coaches get to put the prospective recruit in different situations that may not be seen on film. Thus, Coaches can identify strengths and weaknesses much more quickly at a camp than on film. Therefore, a decision to offer, not offer, or place on standby can be made much more quickly. And, the coaches can ask for a second opinion on the spot where the other coach can change the evaluation scenario too if they want.
Camps are far better than film is the bottom line.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:01 pm to Sonny G
I would rather the coaches base their decision off of camp performance than a 2 minute high lite reel.The coaches can evaluate them on their terms. At lease they are going against other players that the coach thought were good enough to be invited to camp instead of inferior HS school talent.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:01 pm to Cadello
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Camps are far better than film is the bottom line.
I honestly could not disagree more with this statement. Film is so useless that the motto of every NFL team is, "Put it on tape". Meaning stop yapping and prove it on the field. How about, "The eye in the sky doesn't lie"? Would you agree that the combine is essentially a camp? How many workout warriors look great at the combine and are huge busts in the NFL?
This post was edited on 8/22/09 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:03 pm to pawprints
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At lease they are going against other players that the coach thought were good enough to be invited to camp
With a tee shirt and shorts on because that's how the game of football is played.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:12 pm to JJ27
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I honestly could not disagree more with this statement. Film is so useless that the motto of every NFL team is, "Put it on tape". Meaning stop yapping and prove it on the field. How about, "The eye in the sky doesn't lie"? Would you agree that the combine is essentially a camp? How many workout warriors look great at the combine and are huge busts in the NFL?
Yes, what you say may be true. But the decision to offer, not offer, or place a kid on standby is usually not made in the vacuum of film only or camp only.
Most kids have film plus make it to camp (not always either one, but most of the time). Thus, the coaches have already seen the film if it exists and see the play in person. So it is usually the case that a decision to offer or not is made based off of both the film they have seen AND performance or lack there of at camp. Some kids camp between their Soph. & Jr. years in HS, thus the offer in the spring of thier Jr. yr after the coaches have seen their Fall Jr. yr football film.
Any decision a coach makes as far as offers should be solid if he has seen the film and seen the kid perform at camp. And, I have all the confidence in the world in the coaches if they have done their homework...which they have done and will continue to do.
I think we are getting too much wrapped up in the semantics of either or, when most decisions are based off of both.
I think the better question is: Are the coaches taking too many recruits based off of film ONLY!
This post was edited on 8/22/09 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:23 pm to JJ27
don't bring NFL shite into this talk it isn't even close to the same
Camp performance is huge when you factor in how many of these kids are probably under coached on the HS level, not to mention under developed. You get a first hand look at a kid, coach him on the things you're going to ask him to do for your system, and see if he fits.
Also you have to factor in they're going head to head with other kids who will end up playing college ball, instead of dominating teams that will be lucky to have more than one d1 player.
Camp performance is huge when you factor in how many of these kids are probably under coached on the HS level, not to mention under developed. You get a first hand look at a kid, coach him on the things you're going to ask him to do for your system, and see if he fits.
Also you have to factor in they're going head to head with other kids who will end up playing college ball, instead of dominating teams that will be lucky to have more than one d1 player.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:29 pm to BilJ
i dont mind it, unless you start filling up the class and taking these kids. LSU is right on the edge with that, but i think we'll be ok with the numbers in the end.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:30 pm to Elleshoe
Most of the guys they're taking they've been watching play for a few years now. The camp performance just is icing on the cake. There are other kids they want to see have big senior years before they offer.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:31 pm to BilJ
Time will tell about Miles and co. decisions based on camp performance. I may be somewhat skeptical, I think Miles and co reward based on intangibles (personality, etc) sometimes when considering playing time and schollie offers. But its just a hunch, will not know for a couple of years.
Last season and this season, the staff has offerred a few to some "marginal" (according to the recruitnicks and recruit-tards) players based on camp, will be a couple of years before anyone knows.
For the most part I am very happy with recruiting by this staff. No matter if a couple of guys per class are just practice players their whole career (all schools have this same issue) or not, there are enough solid inks to keep the train rolling.
Last season and this season, the staff has offerred a few to some "marginal" (according to the recruitnicks and recruit-tards) players based on camp, will be a couple of years before anyone knows.
For the most part I am very happy with recruiting by this staff. No matter if a couple of guys per class are just practice players their whole career (all schools have this same issue) or not, there are enough solid inks to keep the train rolling.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 1:35 pm to Lester Earl
I don't even think its really worth a discussion. Outside of Blackmon and Bates I don't see many questionable takes
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