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Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:37 am to RobbBobb
A fake, and thus a defensive read, is only valid if there's actually a chance in hell of the quarterback tucking and running with it. Fake all you want. If you're slow as Christmas and don't present an honest threat to run the defense doesn't have to make a read. It's really the definition of the option, except in Lee's case there is no qb run option.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:46 am to hojo
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except in Lee's case there is no qb run option.
I think you missed the OPs point about the myth. JJ is supposedly the better option at QB because hes a dual threat. LSU doesnt have a dual threat, if "slow" JLee executes the option better, because
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the quarterback tucking and running
If everyone can see where the ball is going, doesnt matter how fast the QB is. The play aint going anywhere.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:50 am to RobbBobb
why does a dual threat QB have to have his running judged solely from the option?
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:50 am to RobbBobb
Call me crazy, but I give JJ a better chance of making yards with a "poorer" play fake than I do with JL making a "great" play fake.
JL has no business running an option, any option. At least JJ can improve his play fakes.
JL has no business running an option, any option. At least JJ can improve his play fakes.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:50 am to hojo
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Call me crazy, but I give JJ a better chance of making yards with a "poorer" play fake than I do with JL making a "great" play fake.
this was goin to be my next point
the rant hates thinking in this terms, b/c the rant loves guys who work hard, practice well, and develop perfect skills
talent often means a lot more, no matter how much the rant wishes to believe and hope otherwise
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:22 am to TIsuGGER
Lee has always been a God at practice. That's how he earned the starting spot. I think it baffles coaches how he turns brilliant practices into game winning TD's for the OTHER team.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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the rant hates thinking in this terms, b/c the rant loves guys who work hard, practice well, and develop perfect skills
talent often means a lot more, no matter how much the rant wishes to believe and hope otherwise
Wasnt that your Keiland Williams argument too?
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:32 am to SloMeaux
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game winning TD's for the OTHER team.
Because he's had none for his own team.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:33 am to hojo
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At least JJ can improve his play fakes.
But JLee cannot improve his defensive reads
:gotcha:
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:37 am to RobbBobb
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Wasnt that your Keiland Williams argument too?
k-dub > hester
scott > hester
and JJ will start over Lee and will run for a shitload more yards b/c JJ is mobile
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:38 am to RobbBobb
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But JLee cannot improve his defensive reads
he's not goin to improve his speed
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:40 am to TIsuGGER
I havent read the thread past a few posts...
but if Lee runs ONE...just ONE freaking option play...then its ONE option too many.
It's simply stupid to have a QB that runs as if he has cement blocks attacked to his feet try and execute an option play.
but if Lee runs ONE...just ONE freaking option play...then its ONE option too many.
It's simply stupid to have a QB that runs as if he has cement blocks attacked to his feet try and execute an option play.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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JJ is mobile
The only reason that matters is when an offensive play breaks down (Sam Bradford, 70 yds rushing/ Heisman). If we have enough plays break down to make a difference in who should be QB, then we have a lot more problems than just at QB. And another long year.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:52 am to hojo
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JL has no business running an option, any option.
ftw
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:53 am to RobbBobb
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The only reason that matters is when an offensive play breaks down
or when we run the option, which we do with JJ (see: the peach bowl)
we're moving to a spread and spread option team
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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or when we run the option
right back to the OPs point. An option that is run poorly is not really an option, now is it?
Posted on 8/8/09 at 12:16 pm to RobbBobb
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right back to the OPs point. An option that is run poorly is not really an option, now is it?
when a QB is NO THREAT at all to actually run the option, the option play is pretty worthless.
you see, if the other team KNOWS that jarrett lee is the one running the option, they will just tackle the runningback running alongside him, because lee is not a threat.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 12:29 pm to RobbBobb
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An option that is run poorly is not really an option, now is it?
yes it is. did you watch our last bowl?
how about this. an option without 1 of the people handling the ball being a running threat isn't an option, is it? where is the "option" there?
Posted on 8/8/09 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how about this. an option without 1 of the people handling the ball being a running threat isn't an option, is it? where is the "option" there?
if i'm the defender, there isn't a "option" to tackle.
i'm tackling the runningback beside him, because lee poses NO THREAT to run for yards.
he's honestly like a steamboat pushing upstream when he runs.
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