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Ted Williams on Hbo

Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:07 pm
Posted by mmjones87
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:07 pm
Anyone watching?
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:07 pm to
No
Posted by mmjones87
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:10 pm to
thanks bb03. i like your av
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:11 pm to
I'm kidding. I'd like to see it but I can't get HBO right now. What's it about?
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:15 pm to
greatest hitter that ever lived,

read his book from cover to cover again and again
Posted by mmjones87
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:17 pm to
His life. Apparently he was fishing in the Keys when is daughter was born. And he just kept fishing
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:20 pm to
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greatest hitter that ever lived,


Imagine his numbers if he wouldn't have been hampered by WWII and the Korean War. He missed atleast four seasons to military service and is officially classified as an ace pilot. Not to mention one of the greatest fisherman who ever lived. A truly great American. Ted I toast to your under-valued legacy.
Posted by wahoocs
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:40 pm to
I'm as close to a Williams historian as anyone I imagine. I've read, watched, researched, and collect all Williams items.

The best book out there is the most recent one by Leigh Montville.
Posted by mmjones87
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:41 pm to
This is sad and i think the way his son sent he on to glory is terrible.
Posted by wahoocs
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:51 pm to
I met one of his fishing guides at a National Collectors Convention in St. Louis around '95. He was selling some items that Williams had secretly signed for him in exchange for guiding him.

He told me at that time what was going on before it became public knowledge. He told me John Henry would have a physical therapist come over daily to treat his right arm and hand so that he could continue to sign items.

Williams wasn't much of a father, and paid for it in the end when it came to his children. But to his credit, he knew it, and willingly paid that price.

I have some very rare Williams items, including a bottle of champagne from the opening ceremonies of the Ted Williams' Hitters Hall of Fame, or Cooperstown South, as it became known. It used to be in Citrus Hills, but was moved to Tropicana Field a few years ago.
Posted by etm512
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:19 pm to
Almost done with a book called "1941: The Greatest Year in Sports". About a quarter of the book is about Williams because that is the year he hit .408. I was unaware that he did that on a bum right ankle that he injured before the season started. Makes it even more amazing.
Posted by peon
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:24 pm to
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magine his numbers if he wouldn't have been hampered by WWII


imagine his numbers if he had any speed whatsoever

williams discussing mantle's speed and power

cool site-

williams and mantle interview clips
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 10:27 pm
Posted by wahoocs
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:31 pm to
It ends at .406, for what it's worth.

Summer of '49 is a great read by Halberstam.

There are so many great Williams stories and interviews that I often am reminded out of the blue about some of them.

If you really want to get a true picture of the man and his accomplishments, the good and the bad, get the biography done by Leigh Montville.
Posted by etm512
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:38 pm to
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It ends at .406, for what it's worth


That. My bad.

quote:

If you really want to get a true picture of the man and his accomplishments, the good and the bad, get the biography done by Leigh Montville.


Might have to check that one out. I have a few books in line ready to read (Boys Will Be Boys - story of the 90's Cowboys - and a few WWII books) but I might have to add that one to the queue. What's the name of it? From the little that I have read about him he does seem like quite an interesting character. Not very likable from what it seems.

Sidenote: If you like sports history type books, check out that 1941 book I mentioned. Same year that Williams hit .406, DiMaggio has the 56 game hitting streak, Whirlaway wins the Triple Crown, and Joe Louis fights Billy Conn in one of the greatest HW title fights of all time.
Posted by wahoocs
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:52 pm to
It's called Ted Williams, The Biography of an American Hero, by Leigh Montville. He is an SI contributor and covered the Red Sox for years as a beat writer. He knew Williams from his days as a consultant to the Red Sox at spring training.

The book is very real and pulls no punches. I think it paints a fair portrait. He interviews every known person to have spent any significant time with Williams, and I think his hard work pays off in his writing.
Posted by etm512
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:56 pm to
Thanks for the tip. Might have to check it out
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 7/16/09 at 9:11 am to
I don’t have HBO anymore, but I’ll probably catch it when it gets to DVD. What I find most interesting about Williams is the way his reputation has done a complete 180 in the past 50 years. Williams was loathed in his day by the average fan. He was Ty Cobb or Albert Belle. The surly slugger that was constantly derided for being a self-important jerk, who cared only for his own stats. Yet late in life, he was hailed as not just the greatest living player, but as a great person.

I don’t know how the shift happened and I don’t know how he rehabbed his image. But it really is fascinating. Players normally do receive a bit of a halo effect as they get older and people forget their flaws, but Williams is by far the most extreme case. I think Ricky Henderson is on the same path.
Posted by TigerStripes06
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Posted on 7/16/09 at 9:21 am to
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Williams was loathed in his day by the average fan. He was Ty Cobb or Albert Belle. The surly slugger that was constantly derided for being a self-important jerk, who cared only for his own stats. Yet late in life, he was hailed as not just the greatest living player, but as a great person.


talk about hitting the nail on the head...you couldn't be more accurate.

That being said, even in his old age ted williams seemed like an unbelievable prick...I have no misconceptions of him being a good person, I dont even feel bad for what his son did to him...people say its all about money for him...it is...with the kind of father williams was, its clear the son didn't feel he owed him anything, i probably would feel the same way. I have never been an admirer. I think he is the greatest hitter of all time but thats pretty much the extent of the credit i'll give him...that and the service to the country.
Posted by AlejandroInHouston
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2007
18776 posts
Posted on 7/16/09 at 10:22 am to
It was really well done.

True about everybody remembering Ted Williams as "That Frozen Guy" instead of "The Greatest Hitter of All-Time" thanks to his arse-hat of a son.

I agree about Ted Williams being a humorless prick though. He actually reminds me of Will Clark more than Albert Belle.

I'd like to punch Will Clark in the face. He's never done anything to me personally, but that's how much of a prick I think he is.
This post was edited on 7/16/09 at 10:26 am
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/16/09 at 11:23 am to
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Yet late in life, he was hailed as not just the greatest living player, but as a great person.



"Great person" seems to imply some sort of either likability or moral superiority, neither of which I remember anyone ever referring to him with. Even towards the end. I really can't remember anyone ever calling him a "great person."



"Great man" indicates more of a stature and legacy, and encompasses someone's accomplishments. In this context, I'm not sure there's any arguing he wasn't a "great" man.


I watched about 10 minutes of this show last night and was absolutely intrigued. I can't wait to watch the entire thing.
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